RE: concordance & genesis (edited) further correction re the debate

--- Glenn Morton <glennmorton@entouch.net> wrote:
> Walter wrote
> -----Original Message-----
> From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu
> [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu]On
> Behalf Of wallyshoes
> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 10:22 AM
>
> >see all of Jim Eisele's posts in the past. He is an
> excellent example of
> what
> >Glenn Morton points out. The transition from YEC to
> atheist is one that
> >happens a lot. Since the YEC focus is on certain
> interpretations of the old
> >testament, many of them never really knew what
> Christianity was all about
> >(i.e. the relationship with Jesus Christ). Jim
> strikes me as such a person.
> >His faith had to be based upon some distorted view
> of the OT in order for
> >that faith to survive.
>
> And Michael Roberts wrote:
>
> >If I remember right Jim's transition from YEC to
> atheist took some six
> months.

I forgot to make this correction in my first response
to this post, but for what it's worth, as far as I
remember, Jim E. was NEVER YEC. As far as I am aware,
his first introduction here and his first thoughts on
the matter of whether or not Genesis is true (to him
that means true in a modern historical and scientific
sense) was that he was a concordist who had found his
way here from Hugh Ross's Reasons to Believe. I never
heard Jim E say that he was EVER a YEC.

Likewise, unless I am mistaken, I got the impression
from Jim E that his background was Catholic. I am not
aware that YEC has made lots of inroads into
Catholicism, but I may be wrong.

In other words, this is all a nice rant Michael made
against YEC, presumably due to his own unfortunate
experiences at L'Abri, et al., but it has no basis in
reality in relation to Jim E. and the development of
his atheism, which I covered in my previous post.

> >He firstly devised a rather inadequate OE position
> as if to stem the tide
> but
> >still the slide went on.
> >
> >He may correct me but I guess that what happened is
> that as he delved into
> YEC
> >he found the flaws and possibly (like me at L'Abri
> with ole F Schaeffer)
> was
> >a bit abrasive - understandably. Members of his
> church and possibly his
> pastor
> >accused him of being unspiritual or whatever
> spiritual language they used
> to
> >cover up their bigotry and this accelerated the
> process. With little
> spiritual
> >support and being unable tofind an alternative of
> YEC or atheism he chose
> the
> >latter. Perhaps all members of his church deserve
> millstones round their
> >necks.
>
> GRM I have seen this process so many times. But you
> are correct that not
> all is lost. I recently ran into a guy who told me
> that after he became an
> atheist, he ran into my web site and he has returned
> to the faith, but he
> sure is cynical about things. Maybe I still am
> also. The trust is gone.
> When you see YECs making so many obvious errors and
> you know you can't trust
> them, it makes you wonder if you can trust anything
> in a Christian
> bookstore.
>
> One other thing I have observed with falling YECs.
> They find it very
> difficult to tell their wives that they have
> changed. I did, a guy I met in
> my last month in Aberdeen did, a guy who recently
> emailed me from Iceland
> did. And a few others have mentioned this
> phenomenon. Even having gone
> through it, I wonder why, but it is something I have
> observed.
>

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Received on Mon Dec 15 23:32:20 2003