Re: concordance & genesis (edited) further correction re the debate

"Dr. Blake Nelson" wrote:

>
> I forgot to make this correction in my first response
> to this post, but for what it's worth, as far as I
> remember, Jim E. was NEVER YEC. As far as I am aware,
> his first introduction here and his first thoughts on
> the matter of whether or not Genesis is true (to him
> that means true in a modern historical and scientific
> sense) was that he was a concordist who had found his
> way here from Hugh Ross's Reasons to Believe. I never
> heard Jim E say that he was EVER a YEC.

Possibly these are true. I found on an old email from Jim wherein he
said:

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"Walt Hicks asked about my YEC church. Another prominent
ASAer attended this church (at least at one time).

I don't go to Sunday service. From my small group, I
hear that the current position of my church is that the
earth is young. God just made it to look old.

Jim"

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I believe that Jim also complained of poor treatment by others in his
church but that is just my (often flawed) memory.

Instead of speculation, we can ask Jim to respond and stop any guessing.

How about it, Jim?

>
>
> Likewise, unless I am mistaken, I got the impression
> from Jim E that his background was Catholic. I am not
> aware that YEC has made lots of inroads into
> Catholicism, but I may be wrong.
>
> In other words, this is all a nice rant Michael made
> against YEC, presumably due to his own unfortunate
> experiences at L'Abri, et al., but it has no basis in
> reality in relation to Jim E. and the development of
> his atheism, which I covered in my previous post.
>
> > >He firstly devised a rather inadequate OE position
> > as if to stem the tide
> > but
> > >still the slide went on.
> > >
> > >He may correct me but I guess that what happened is
> > that as he delved into
> > YEC
> > >he found the flaws and possibly (like me at L'Abri
> > with ole F Schaeffer)
> > was
> > >a bit abrasive - understandably. Members of his
> > church and possibly his
> > pastor
> > >accused him of being unspiritual or whatever
> > spiritual language they used
> > to
> > >cover up their bigotry and this accelerated the
> > process. With little
> > spiritual
> > >support and being unable tofind an alternative of
> > YEC or atheism he chose
> > the
> > >latter. Perhaps all members of his church deserve
> > millstones round their
> > >necks.
> >
> > GRM I have seen this process so many times. But you
> > are correct that not
> > all is lost. I recently ran into a guy who told me
> > that after he became an
> > atheist, he ran into my web site and he has returned
> > to the faith, but he
> > sure is cynical about things. Maybe I still am
> > also. The trust is gone.
> > When you see YECs making so many obvious errors and
> > you know you can't trust
> > them, it makes you wonder if you can trust anything
> > in a Christian
> > bookstore.
> >
> > One other thing I have observed with falling YECs.
> > They find it very
> > difficult to tell their wives that they have
> > changed. I did, a guy I met in
> > my last month in Aberdeen did, a guy who recently
> > emailed me from Iceland
> > did. And a few others have mentioned this
> > phenomenon. Even having gone
> > through it, I wonder why, but it is something I have
> > observed.
> >
>
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