From: Walter Hicks (wallyshoes@mindspring.com)
Date: Mon Oct 27 2003 - 18:57:00 EST
As you know, Vernon, I am one who often defends the viewpoint of an average YEC.
On the other hand, I am appalled by comments like yours herein.
Vernon Jenkins wrote:
>
>
> One of the difficulties we YECs on this list encounter is that whereas
> everyone is aware of our complete committment to the Word of God, we on the
> other hand can only guess at the particular degrees of committment of
> others.
I find it easy to see that a YEC simply takes the Bible to be that which agrees
with his or her private interpretation and wonders how to interpret what we
observe. I can also see why a scientist who observes what is patently obvious in
God's created universe wonders how to interpret the Bible so as to conform to
God's total revelation. It is a two way street and difficult for us Christians.
But then there are disgusting comments like yours above. If you are not ashamed
of yourself, then I am ashamed for you and shall stop defending any of your
views that lead to such rancor.
> Michael, as a man of the cloth, you can undoubtedly help us bridge
> this divide. So may I begin by asking what the words of Eph.6:11-17 mean for
> you? And, in particular, what you understand by the 'sword of the Spirit'
> being the 'word of God'?
>
> Vernon
> http://www.otherbiblecode.com
Frankly, Vernon, your commitment to your own private interpretation of the math
of the Bible is highly suspect. I would _guarentee_ you that one can find
_thousands_ of books in a large bookstore which would have the magic number of
7401 (or anything under 10,000), as the numerical interpretation of the first
sentence ---- and that hundreds of them would satisfy your artificial cut and
paste of various subsequent phrases. It is statistically _impossible_ for this
_not_ to be true --- despite your ridiculous claims to the contrary!
Moreover, your "Other Bible Code" (in addition to the original debunked code)
adds absolutely nothing to those who already accept the Bible as the word of
God.
It just enlists ridicule by those who are non christians and who understand
statistics.
I think that you deserve severe criticism for your latest rants.
IMO
Walt
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Roberts" <michael.andrea.r@ukonline.co.uk>
> To: "Vernon Jenkins" <vernon.jenkins@virgin.net>; "gordon brown"
> <gbrown@euclid.colorado.edu>; <douglas.hayworth@perbio.com>
> Cc: <asa@calvin.edu>
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 7:21 AM
> Subject: Re: Academics who actively support Young Earth Creationism
>
> > Insects have four legs according to the Bible.
> >
> > Vernon could you please write in Welsh it would make more sense.
> >
> > Michael
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Vernon Jenkins" <vernon.jenkins@virgin.net>
> > To: "gordon brown" <gbrown@euclid.colorado.edu>;
> > <douglas.hayworth@perbio.com>
> > Cc: <asa@calvin.edu>
> > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:20 AM
> > Subject: Re: Academics who actively support Young Earth Creationism
> >
> >
> > > Hi Gordon,
> > >
> > > I read in the Hebrew of Gen.2:5 that the pristine earth experienced no
> > rain;
> > > and in 2:6, a brief reference to the alternative hydrologic cycle that
> > then
> > > obtained. Later, following the Mabbul, I find reference to the covenant
> of
> > > the rainbow - the reasonable inference being that this was a novelty; a
> > > complete surprise to Noah and his family. Yet you say, "It is very
> > > discouraging that certain pastors whose ministry has so much to commend
> it
> > > and who have influence over so many people prefer to get their teachings
> > on
> > > certain issues from Henry Morris rather than by careful study of the
> > > Scripture."
> > >
> > > But, Gordon, where else in Scripture should one look for a clear
> > refutation
> > > of these matching statements? And what motive could the writer
> (presumably
> > > Noah) possibly have for attempting to deceive us all?
> > >
> > > Vernon
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "gordon brown" <gbrown@euclid.colorado.edu>
> > > To: <douglas.hayworth@perbio.com>
> > > Cc: <asa@calvin.edu>
> > > Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 10:26 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Academics who actively support Young Earth Creationism
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 douglas.hayworth@perbio.com wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > We run up against YEC-type "literalism" in so many places. For
> > example,
> > > I'm
> > > > > currently leading a group bible study here at work, going through
> Rick
> > > > > Warren's _Purpose-Driven Life_. Although I agree with the _overall_
> > > > > theology of the book, there are snippets of poor interpretation. For
> > > > > example, in describing the story of Noah as an illustration of one
> who
> > > > > pleased God because he believed and obeyed him, Warren writes the
> > > > > following:
> > > > >
> > > > > "There were three problems that could have caused Noah to doubt.
> > First,
> > > > > Noah had never seen rain, because prior to the Flood, God irrigated
> > the
> > > > > earth from the ground up (Genesis 2:5-6)."
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > It is very discouraging that certain pastors whose ministry has so
> much
> > to
> > > > commend it and who have influence over so many people prefer to get
> > their
> > > > teachings on certain issues from Henry Morris rather than by careful
> > study
> > > > of the Scripture.
> > > >
> > > > Gordon Brown
> > > > Department of Mathematics
> > > > University of Colorado
> > > > Boulder, CO 80309-0395
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
-- =================================== Walt Hicks <wallyshoes@mindspring.com>In any consistent theory, there must exist true but not provable statements. (Godel's Theorem)
You can only find the truth with logic If you have already found the truth without it. (G.K. Chesterton) ===================================
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