Re: Wells and Molecular Phylogenies

From: John W Burgeson (jwburgeson@juno.com)
Date: Mon Oct 27 2003 - 01:17:40 EST

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    Wayne wrote, in part: "My main concern is the rapidly diminishing
    ways to even engage the people who don't want "E" taught to their kids,
    and cling tightly to a YEC model. I fear we may have already lost any way
    to
    engage any of these people."

    I'm reading a book right now called THE FRACTURE OF GOOD ORDER, by Jason
    Bivins, which, among other things, addresses just that point. The
    subtitle of the book is "Christian Antiliberalism and the Challenge to
    American Politics." (The word in the subtitle, "Antiliberalism" does not
    refer to left/right or conservative/liberal, by the way, but to the
    rebellion against the political tradition of Locke, Smith, Mill, etc.)

    Bivins analyses three antiliberal groups, the Sojourners, the New
    Christian Right and the Berrigan brothers. While not in agreement with
    any of them, he does address the extent to which their members are
    relatively marginalized in modern society, and how, because of that
    marginalization, they cling ever more tightly to their models and refuse
    engagement with those with whom they disagree.

    Perhaps that is what we are doing wrong. We fight hard against letting
    YEC creationism, and ID creationism, be taught in our schools, and by
    making martyrs make the problem worse, not better. Perhaps we need to let
    the YECers and IDers engage fully in the public forums. If there is
    anything of value there, it will come out. More likely, the nonsense will
    be revealed publicly.

    Yes -- I am a fan of Mill's "On Liberty."

    Burgy

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