Original Sin (was Re: RATE)

From: Dr. Blake Nelson (bnelson301@yahoo.com)
Date: Mon Oct 06 2003 - 10:19:35 EDT

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    An inherited Original Sin, in the way the Western
    church understands it, is the result of Augustine's
    influence and writings (indeed, although Origen talks
    about it, he does so differently than does Augustine).
     John Damascenus (died A. D. 760) does not include
    Original Sin among the doctrines held by the Church.

    The Eastern Orthodox church has a very different view
    of things in this regard, which may be instructive of
    the fact that it is not the only interpretation of
    Genesis 3, which obviously does not contain the term.
    For what it's worth, nor does any of the Old Testament
    speak of Genesis 3 as the source of man's sin, but
    rather of man's sinful nature with no reference back
    to Genesis 3.

    Anyway, not to belabor the point, but the Fall can be
    understood entirely differently than Augustine
    understood it, even though there has been a
    significant accretion of theology in the western
    church around Augustine's approach. To understand the
    Fall differently from Augustine does not in anyway
    represent a modernization or attempt to avoid
    particular consequences of Biblical passages since
    Augustine's interpretation was the novel one and one
    has an unbroken (although diverse) tradition of
    understanding of the Fall in very different terms in
    the Eastern church.

    --- Josh Bembenek <jbembe@hotmail.com> wrote:
    > >At the moment I am choosing not to participate in
    > the argumentation
    > >concerning specific cataclysmic interpretations of
    > empirical data, but I
    > >would be interested to hear your testimony
    > concerning why holding to a YEC
    > >position is so important to you. What is at stake
    > here? If the professional
    > >science community turns out to be correct on
    > matters of chronology, what
    > >would be the loss to the Christian faith as you
    > understand it?
    >
    >
    > Howard, from what I've come to understand the
    > primary importance is being
    > able to claim that mankind is fallen and that has
    > been inherited from Adam
    > and Eve. In this view, The Fall requires some kind
    > of mechanistic transfer
    > into all of humankind from Adam, otherwise we had no
    > fall. This is
    > partially bolstered by the idea that God looked at
    > His creation and called
    > it "good." Would the creation of hominids that die,
    > have disease, etc. and
    > are inherently fallen creatures be "good?"
    >
    > This is an interesting question.
    >
    >
    > Josh
    >
    >
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