Re: My point misunderstood (was Re: Clarification -- Re: Dawkins dissembles? )

From: RFaussette@aol.com
Date: Tue Jul 15 2003 - 18:59:36 EDT

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    In a message dated 7/15/03 4:45:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
    bnelson301@yahoo.com writes:

    > By the way, as Michael Ruse (no theist) wonderfully
    > said about Richard Dawkins at one of the CTNS
    > co-sponsored Vatican conferences (I think the video is
    > somehwere on the counterbalance.org website), "he's
    > pig ignorant about theology" (or something to that
    > effect). Having read Dawkins extensively, I believe
    > Ruse is right, Dawkins appears to be pig ignorant
    > about christian theology.
    >
    >
    >

    LISTEN TO ME - I WANT YOU TO LISTEN TO ME CAREFULLY- I DON'T TALK IN CAPS
    OFTEN - THERE IS A GREAT BATTLE GOING ON RIGHT NOW, THE GREATEST INTELLECTUAL
    BATTLE IN HISTORY - I'VE BEEN TRYING TO TELL YOU A LITTLE AT A TIME BUT MAYBE A
    NEW TACK WILL GET YOU READING...

    I attended the Annual Meeting of the Human Behavior and Evolution Society in
    2000. I had joined the society to meet one man, Kevin MacDonald, the
    evolutionary psychologist, who had written 3 books on Judaism. One of his books was
    subtitled 'the evolutionary strategy of Judaism,' and that caught my attention
    because I had been working on an essay in my spare time over the years based on
    a re-reading of the Bible from a Darwinian perspective. I titled it Natural
    Selection and the Nature of God, so here were Jews and evolution in both titles.

    My essay explained how Judaism was a rational and pragmatic religion and
    could account for the intelligence, material success and survival of the Jews.
    When I learned about MacDonald, I copyrighted the essay and sent it to him. He
    replied that my basic conclusions were right, which I suspected because I had
    earned a BA in psychology and anthropology just to reality test my knowledge
    against what was being taught at the universities.

    What I later learned is that MacDonald's work is being suppressed. I saw it
    at the conference.

    Steven Pinker, Norman Wright, Richard Dawkins (the would be destroyer of
    religion), Robert Trivers, to name just a few, all presented at the conference. I
    saw Trivers, one of the pioneers of sociobiology speak to Kevin MacDonald at
    the banquet. I attended the symposium, Jim Tooby, a past president of HBES,
    held on Kevin MacDonald's work. 2 people spoke before MacDonald and one after,
    (the transcript is available). One of the Jewish speakers called MacDonald's
    work "anti-semitic," but at the end of the symposium there were many objections,
    including my own, from the crowd as they exited.

    Later, being a member of HBES, I was allowed to participate on their web site
    in a feature titled 'Darwin's Cafe' where threads were posted. I got into a
    few threads over MacDonald and Darwin's Cafe was taken down a month later. I
    then joined their online discussion group (hbe-l). By that time, MacDonald knew
    me and proposed I enter a thread. I won my arguments and I was also called an
    anti-semite, not for bad behavior, but because there were no good responses to
    any of my arguments. Later, hbe-l was abandoned.

    IT IS INCONCEIVABLE TO ME THAT DAWKINS DOES NOT KNOW OF MACDONALD'S WORK.

    So, why the caps?

    Judaism has been proven to generate a high IQ population of great social
    cohesion, people brighter and more loyal to one another than to "others." You
    don't see the "religion" being done to accomplish that because it's tucked behind
    ghetto walls in scattered breeding communities all over the world. The Bible
    is so real and true from a Darwinian perspective, it's mind boggling. And I
    fight for the Levitical prohibitions because when one group embraces them and
    another abandons them, the group abandoning them becomes gradually extinct and
    displaced by the group embracing them. That's niche theory and it's in the
    Bible. Read the first few lines of Exodus and you see the nature of the conflict
    between the Hebrews and the Egyptians. Watch Nehemiah exhort his people to breed
    true.

    THAT'S WHAT'S BEING SUPPRESSED.

    I have written to dawkins at the english paper he writes for to complain
    about this very thing. It is ironic that Dawkins denies religion just as his peers
    have found its utility. I wonder whether he's as pig ignorant as you think he
    is. I hope he is actually, because if he was trying to deprive us of
    something he knew was good for us, that would make him quite a scoundrel, wouldn't it?

    Here is a link to MacDonald's home page. Information, book reviews - please
    investigate - not summer reading but VITAL READING.

     <A HREF="http://www.csulb.edu/~kmacd/books.htm">http://www.csulb.edu/~kmacd/books.htm>

    I have a paper on the conference at Amherst, a paper on two Biblical
    allegories from a Darwinian perspective to get you started in Genesis and Natural
    Selection and the Nature of God (html).

    THE ROAD LESS TRAVELED

    rich faussette

     

     
     



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