From: Jim Eisele (jeisele@starpower.net)
Date: Thu Nov 14 2002 - 14:08:28 EST
David writes (slightly re-ordered, with Blake's comments at the end
of David's)
>You may set truthfulness as your own personal standard, but on
>what basis do you expect other to follow suit?
There are natural consequences to lying - people don't trust you,
for one. We each decide what kind of person we are going to be.
>I did not say you did not have the right. I said you did not have
>the logical justification. What is truth? Why does it matter
>whether you stick to it?
You're not getting it, David. I have every right to expect
a religion to be true before following it. This is just common
sense.
>Christianity claims to be true, and so
>serious errors (as opposed to copying errors, figurative or everyday
>language, etc.) in the Bible would indeed be an internal problem for
>it.
Christianity is an outdated (obviously, IMO) way of describing the
world, with miracles made up to create a compelling story. It has
grave errors, which is why it is losing it's influence.
>However, in criticizing Christianity as untruthful you are
>trying to retain the moral standards of Christianity without the
>justification of those standards.
Huh? Criticism is how we distinguish between truth and error, and
decide which path to choose. I will ALWAYS follow the path that I
believe to be true. I don't see why this not getting through.
Blake writes
>Without a guarantor of objective reality and
>our ability to perceive it (at least partially), there
>really is no firm basis for making statements about
>truth.
Huh? We just use our brains. Typically, people who are involved
in a list like this will learn and grow. People who isolate
themselves wither away, mentally and physically (essentially, they
give up on life or a part of life - not saying that's a bad thing,
per se, some people can only handle so much).
Jim Eisele
Genesis in Question
http://genesisinquestion.org
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