Re: Genesis in cuneiform on tablets

From: George Murphy (gmurphy@raex.com)
Date: Thu Nov 14 2002 - 14:43:16 EST

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    Michael Roberts wrote:
    >
    > >
    > > The question is, do we take the Bible at its word or do we accept
    > > evolutionary assumptions first and then interpret the Bible within them?
    >
    > Excuse my ignorance and stupidity but what are evolutionary assumptions? I
    > have heard about them but cant find out what they are.

            I think I understand Michael's point here, that "evolutionary
    assumptions"
    here is simply a vague pejorative phrase. But there is something
    worth pursuing. While
    a lot of further distinctions can be made, there are 2 basic ways in
    which we can
    understand the universe which God has created.

            1) God created everything perfect in the beginning, with no
    death, suffering,
    &c. If sin had never occurred then the world & living things would
    have remained in
    this perfect state. Sin, however, caused a precipitous fall from
    this condition,
    introducing suffering and death. Divine incarnation, cross and
    resurrection is the way
    in which God repairs this damage so that, in the eschaton, the world
    will be returned to
    its primordial perfect condition.

            2) God created a universe which was capable of development
    toward the condition
    which God intended. Physical suffering and death would be part of
    the process by which
    creation would develop toward its ultimate union with God. Sin got
    the human race and
    the world going in the wrong direction, away from the state which God
    wanted creation to
    reach. The incarnation, cross & resurrection are the way in which
    God gets the world
    back on track to reach the intended goal. The eschatological state
    of the world will
    not simply be the same as the primordial state but will be fuller and better.

            While the is not strictly necessary, the incarnation in view
    1 is likely to be
    seen _only_ as a solution to the problem of sin. It would not have
    occurred if sin had
    not happened. View 2, on the other hand, is open to the idea that
    the incarnation was
    God's purpose for creation even had sin not occurred.

            Now the common assumption of many western Christians - & I
    think Allen's post
    points to this - has been that 1 is the obvious or natural way to
    interpret the biblical
    story. If this were the case then evolution could be put together with our
    understanding of creation only in a rather awkward fashion.

            But there is little justification for reading Genesis or the
    rest of scripture
    as telling about a state of perfection or golden age in the
    beginning. Moreover, there
    is reason within scripture & in the Christian tradition for giving
    serious consideration
    to 2.

            Of course this does not mean that the Bible or the church
    fathers talk about the
    big bang or neo-darwinian evolution. But if 2 is a live theological
    option, we are free
    to consider the scientific data without feeling compelled to force it
    to fit 1. The
    consequences are, I think, fairly obvious.

                                                            Shalom,
                                                            George

    George L. Murphy
    gmurphy@raex.com
    http://web.raex.com/~gmurphy/



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