Re: Critique of ID & No Free Lunch

From: bivalve (bivalve@mail.davidson.alumlink.com)
Date: Thu Nov 07 2002 - 12:13:47 EST

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    >My "version" is simply the concept that if we had ability to apply
    >all the appropriate variables required to generate a probability for
    >various occurences, we could determine if they are within the scope
    >of chance or not, referring to what is defined as specified
    >complexity...The trick here is assigning the appropriate values to
    >all the appropriate variables...<

    I largely agree with this criterion for testing whether intelligent
    intervention is a more plausible explanation than ordinary action of
    natural forces. However, there are at least two details beyond the
    difficulty of implementation that affect it.

    As a rule, this method will tell us whether the random probability is
    so low as to make another explanation preferable, rather than being
    able to truly rule out random events. The only exception is if we
    can truly assign a zero probability to something.

    The complexity must be pre-specified, an issue that Dembski has noted
    but not solved to my satisfaction.
    hwkurgtrawhgtuszhrgturehbgjsdfhgbhfgbrbrewbfwbfrshgbrer is a complex
    sequence of letters, and could be made more complex by my randomly
    banging on the keys for longer. The probability that I would
    generate that exact sequence of letters is very low. However, the
    probability that I would generate some sequence of letters was 1,
    assuming that the computer works. Only by having a narrow goal, not
    defined with reference to the results, can the random interpretation
    be adequatey tested. Without a good idea of the relevant
    probabilities, we cannot tell if we have a decent test case, much
    less the result of the test.

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