RE: Intelligent Design Is Creationism in a Cheap Tuxedo

From: Wendee Holtcamp (wendee@greendzn.com)
Date: Fri Jun 07 2002 - 23:19:05 EDT

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      Walt Hicks wrote:
    > Equally odd is that atheists and certain Christians believe
    > that evolution
    > _must_ be true on purely philosophical grounds -- that,
    > because of the
    > methodological nature inherent in science, it is a forgone
    > conclusion that
    > God is not allowed to be involved other than in some sneaky

    My explanation for this is, I said it before, why can't we have science that
    looks for 100% natural causes, but also have a supernatural realm that is
    also 100% true and existent? I am not a "deist" and do indeed believe God
    interacts with creation continually. I can't tell you exactly what
    situations he had his hand in, so to speak, and what he doesn't. Is it
    everything? I don't rightly know. But I do think he is definitely involved.
    But that doesn't mean I can go out and test and find his "fingerprints."
    Maybe I can, and it certainly is an interesting question to explore. But so
    what if I can't. That doesn't mean God doesn't exist, it just means maybe he
    doesn't want to be found by empirical means. I do agree with you that some
    evolutionary creationists may have gone to an extreme where they say that
    God can't be found in creation and so therefore he is not involved in any
    way, blah blah. But I think more important is that God will do whatever the
    heck He so chooses, and we are just blindly (relative to God) grasping
    trying to figure things out. So humility is important for everyone involved!

    I wrote:
    > > Can you give an example of in the past when science
    > employed something other than 100% naturalism? The only thing I know of is
    that early scientists did not have problems discussing God in their
    reporting of their science --specifically in the conclusions they drew, and
    maybe in developing the hypotheses.

    Walt replied:
    > From Newton's Principia:
    >
    > "The six primary planets are revolved about the sun in
    > circles concentric with the sun, <SNIP>
    > the sun, planets, and comets, ***could only proceed from the counsel and
    > dominion of an intelligent and powerful Being***"

    This is a *conclusion* drawn from his explanation of the planetary motion,
    not something inherent in the science or discovery itself. He made the
    conclusion that only an intelligent and powerful Being could create such a
    system but that conclusion does not necessarily have to be drawn. It was a
    personal conclusion, and one likely shared by many religious persons, but
    not the same one drawn by many scientists who are not believers and can
    still accept an amazing universe without believing in God.

    > 1.) Declare victory -- or at least a draw
    > 2.) Hop on my horse
    > and
    > 3.) Ride off into the sunset

    LOL! :)

    Wendee

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