Thanks for the repost, Glenn.
I am not sure what the point would be -- other that what we all believe about
God's intervention. My issue has never been about God's ways of
intervention (as
He does) or about a largely Deistic outlook in the past (for that is my
persuasion). My issue is only the the totally close-mindedness of those on this
ASA list to opposing points of view -- even while lacking any convincing
evidence.
Thanks again for the repost, Glenn.
Walt
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Glenn Morton wrote:
> David wrote:
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu]On
> >Behalf Of D. F. Siemens, Jr.
> >Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 2:05 PM
> >
> >Do you remember Glen's encounter with a Turk and a translator? There is a
> >fully natural explanation, though not quite a strictly scientific one,
> >for it was a singular event. Each individual had a reason to be in the
> >terminal. Their interpersonal contacts were in no way out of the
> >ordinary. Normal is written all over the events. On the other hand, the
> >probability of such meetings in order to bring about the witness is
> >extremely low. So we are persuaded that God intervened. Yet there is not
> >the slightest indication of any variation in any natural law.
>
> I don't think Walter was on the list when I posted the Turkish translater
> event. I repost it below. It was originally posted to counter the common
> view that I am a deist. I am not. Of the other person mentioned in this
> post, I found Wayne since I posted this and he is the historian
> for the PCA church last we e--mailed each other. True story follows:
>
> >> The first time I went to Dallas, I was 19 years old. I went to a Campus
> > Crusade Christmas conference there. My best friend and college roomate was
> > with me. His name is Wayne Sparkman and I think he lives in Pittsburgh or
> > Philly now (I have lost track of him).Anyway, at 1 AM on a Thursday night
> >in Downtown Dallas at the Adolphus Hotel, a girl walked up to us and asked
> us
> > if we knew where she could find a Turkish translator. Of course, at 1 AM
> > most folks are asleep and we weren't from Dallas. Wayne asked why she
> > wanted one and the girl replied that they were trying to witness to a
> > Turkish fellow but he didn't know enough English and they didn't know any
> > Turkish. What made me say this, I don't know but I said, "lets pray about
> > it." I must tell you that there were two desks at the Adolphus at that
> time
> > (they have changed it), one ran east west and the other north south. I
> > prayed that the Lord would bring us a Turkish translator to the
> north-south
> > desk in 10 minutes. (Once again, I don't know why I was brazen enough to
> > pray that particular prayer). When we finished, Wayne said, 'Lets look
> > around.' I say (once again to my own surprise) lets wait, we have another
> 8
> > minutes. We waited. In 10 minutes a guy walked in from the street and
> went
> > to the north south desk. Wayne told me to go ask the fellow if he spoke
> > Turkish. I told Wayne that I couldn't do it. (I chickened out!) Wayne
> had
> > the courage to walk up and ask that guy if he spoke Turkish. He did!
> Wayne
> > brought him to the girl who took him over to where they were witnessing.
> > Wayne and I were amazed. So we hung around till they were through using
> the
> > translator to talk to the translator. The guy was a short order cook in
> > downtown Dallas. He got off at 12:30 and had never gone home the way he
> > chose to go that night. He ran out of cigarettes and came into the hotel
> to
> > get change so he could buy some(who said smoking was bad). He had been
> with
> > the airforce at Adana, Turkey (I recall) and worked as a translator. He
> > wasn't a Christian so he got witnessed to that night also.
> >
> > About a year later, I was working at the Okla. University Research
> Institute
> > in the Oil Information Center. We put oil production statistics into the
> > computer. They decided to branch out and help Wycliff develop their first
> > computer translation helps. A Dr. Joe Grimes (I believe) was the liason
> and
> > I asked him how many people in the U.S. spoke Turkish. He said that about
> > 5000. When you figure out what percentage were probably asleep at 1 AM and
> > what percentage were in Dallas, it was truly amazing to find one of them
> in
> > a 10 x 3 foot area of Dallas after that 10 minutes had passed.
> >
> > So, Burgy, (and Steve Peterson), I do believe that God interacts TODAY. My
> > objection (and I suspect Howards and George's) to ID is that it is
> entirely
> > a cop out to have God solve the scientific problems so that particular
> > theological viewpoints can be maintained. It is asking God to dance to our
> > music rather than us dancing to His.
> >
> > Please try to remember that I am not a deist.
>
> glenn
>
> see http://www.glenn.morton.btinternet.co.uk/dmd.htm
> for lots of creation/evolution information
> anthropology/geology/paleontology/theology\
> personal stories of struggle
>
> >
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