Vernon,
No I have not. I am aware of your mathematical calculations; they have been
debated in this forum at great length. My (hypothetical) question was in
connection with the event in Cana. As you may note from the thread that led
to my question, the issue was a comparison between what "wowed" the people
in Cana with what would "wow" us. In Cana, Jesus turned water into wine
and, John 2:11b continues, "He thus revealed his glory, and his disciples
put their faith in him."
The wedding guests in Cana did not have access to GC-MS, FTIR, or any other
of these neat analytical instruments. We do and I would think that, if
Jesus had come to earth as a baby in the year 1970, how would he reveal his
glory in 2001? If he had "pulled the water-into-wine trick," somebody would
have taken a sample under full QA protocol and have it analyzed.
I'm not talking about miracles to "prove" that Jesus is who he said he is.
That's been done and we, who live on this side of the cross, don't need any
proof. In fact, there are enough warnings in the Bible about miracles after
the cross, e.g., Mat. 24:24 "For false Christs and false prophets will
appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect--if
that were possible."
Chuck
-----Original Message-----
From: Vernon Jenkins [mailto:vernon.jenkins@virgin.net]
Sent: Saturday May 26, 2001 5:55 PM
To: Vandergraaf, Chuck
Cc: asa@calvin.edu
Subject: Re: [Fwd: [Fwd: Griffin #2]]
Chuck,
Vandergraaf, Chuck wrote:
"If Jesus were to walk among us today, how would he reveal his glory to
us? Maybe not by turning water into wine, but possibly by doing
something that we would clearly recognize as something out of the
ordinary. (As I write this, I rack my brain to think of an example but
the only thing that comes to mind is cold fusion)."
But, have you not considered the numerical structure underlying the
Bible's opening words? I have the details set out at the URL given
below; they include the derivation of 'Pi' (to 5 significant figures) by
the application of simple arithmetic to the data conveyed by the Hebrew
letters and words of Genesis 1:1 - an interesting example of
supernatural non-biological ID. The odds against this event occurring by
chance are 90,000 to 1 - and that's just a snippet of the whole story!!
Regards,
Vernon
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