Chuck,
Thanks for writing. Here are some comments of my own:
CV > I'm not talking about miracles to "prove" that Jesus is who he said
he is. That's been done and we, who live on this side of the cross,
don't need any proof.
VJ > But would you not concede that God, in His Wisdom, might have
decided that we all need to be reminded at this time of the fact of His
Being and Sovereignty? Are you able to point to any portion of the
Scriptures which would tie His hands in respect of this?
CV > In fact, there are enough warnings in the Bible about miracles
after the cross, e.g., Mat. 24:24 "For false Christs and false prophets
will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the
elect--if that were possible."
VJ > It goes without saying that the remarkable confluence of numerical
phenomena that coincide with the Bible's opening verse are an integral
part of God's Word; it is therefore difficult, I suggest, to assign
their existence to 'false Christs' and 'false prophets'. Rather, they
appear to confirm my earlier suggestion, viz that they have been
implanted by the Lord to accomplish some significant purpose.
I had always supposed that discussions arising from the discovery of a
body of 'hard data' of an unusual kind, and in unusual circumstances, to
be the 'bread and butter' of real science. However, somewhat naively, I
had failed to learn from the words of Jer.17:9; it appears inevitable
that we should assume the guise of an obscurant when confronted with
self-evident truths that, for us, have unacceptable implications!
Vernon
http://www.otherbiblecode.com
Vandergraaf, Chuck wrote:
>
> Vernon,
>
> No I have not. I am aware of your mathematical calculations; they have been
> debated in this forum at great length. My (hypothetical) question was in
> connection with the event in Cana. As you may note from the thread that led
> to my question, the issue was a comparison between what "wowed" the people
> in Cana with what would "wow" us. In Cana, Jesus turned water into wine
> and, John 2:11b continues, "He thus revealed his glory, and his disciples
> put their faith in him."
>
> The wedding guests in Cana did not have access to GC-MS, FTIR, or any other
> of these neat analytical instruments. We do and I would think that, if
> Jesus had come to earth as a baby in the year 1970, how would he reveal his
> glory in 2001? If he had "pulled the water-into-wine trick," somebody would
> have taken a sample under full QA protocol and have it analyzed.
>
> I'm not talking about miracles to "prove" that Jesus is who he said he is.
> That's been done and we, who live on this side of the cross, don't need any
> proof. In fact, there are enough warnings in the Bible about miracles after
> the cross, e.g., Mat. 24:24 "For false Christs and false prophets will
> appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect--if
> that were possible."
>
> Chuck
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vernon Jenkins [mailto:vernon.jenkins@virgin.net]
> Sent: Saturday May 26, 2001 5:55 PM
> To: Vandergraaf, Chuck
> Cc: asa@calvin.edu
> Subject: Re: [Fwd: [Fwd: Griffin #2]]
>
> Chuck,
>
> Vandergraaf, Chuck wrote:
>
> "If Jesus were to walk among us today, how would he reveal his glory to
> us? Maybe not by turning water into wine, but possibly by doing
> something that we would clearly recognize as something out of the
> ordinary. (As I write this, I rack my brain to think of an example but
> the only thing that comes to mind is cold fusion)."
>
> But, have you not considered the numerical structure underlying the
> Bible's opening words? I have the details set out at the URL given
> below; they include the derivation of 'Pi' (to 5 significant figures) by
> the application of simple arithmetic to the data conveyed by the Hebrew
> letters and words of Genesis 1:1 - an interesting example of
> supernatural non-biological ID. The odds against this event occurring by
> chance are 90,000 to 1 - and that's just a snippet of the whole story!!
>
> Regards,
>
> Vernon
>
> http://www.otherbiblecode.com
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