Re: Griffin #3

From: Howard J. Van Till (hvantill@novagate.com)
Date: Fri May 25 2001 - 13:13:03 EDT

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    Burgy: in your installment #3 you say,

    > On page 6 Griffin makes the following statement, which shows, I think, an
    > understanding of science with which I cannot agree; I think it simply
    > incorrect: "Science ... may show that all events in this world, including
    > those events in which we make conscious decisions, are fully enmeshed in
    > a deterministic nexus of causes and effects ... As scientists,
    > accordingly, we affirm determinism, while as religious persons we affirm
    > freedom." For me, the statement above does not describe science as I was
    > trained and now understand. It is the difference between assuming
    > causality (methodological naturalism) and a scientism that asserts a
    > final deterministic reality has been identified. The last I regard as a
    > scientist's "deadly sin." I am unimpressed by the fact that some persons,
    > much better writers than me, do commit this sin; I cannot follow them.
    > Even when I was not a Christian, I would not follow them in this regard;
    > I considered it hubris of a particularly repugnant order.

    As I read it, Griffin is not at all saying that this is his own
    understanding of the character of science. Rather, he is posing this as one
    way in which a person from the "two-truth camp" (science and theology
    generate _independent_ truths that need not be reconciled, even where there
    seem to be contradictions) _might_ present his/her case for the independence
    of science and theology. He then proceeds to list common objections to this
    approach.

    Howard Van Till



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