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>From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu]On
Behalf Of Dick Fischer
>Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 1:10 AM
>To: asa@calvin.edu
>Subject: RE: Creation Ex Nihilio and other journals
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>Glenn wrote:
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> Early Genesis (the flood in particular) is about the only thing
>that even has a prayer of actually being verifiable. If you can lay out a
>means of verifying any other event which can be verified from this modern
>point of view, then I will gladly listen.
>
>The tower of Babel is certainly verifiable as a description of a
Mesopotamian
>ziggurat. Try to find mud bricks lined with asphalt anywhere else in the
world.
>The timing is right, from around 3000 BC to 2000 BC, the place is right,
Babylon,
>and the description is right on. I don't know how the writer of Genesis
>could have been any more obvious. Yet, do you listen?
You are correct that the T of B is verifiable. The ziggurats you speak of
are not, however, verification of any direct intervention by God into this
world which is what I am really at heart looking for. God interacted at
Babel to alter language. But there is no evidence of that between 3000-2000
years BC. The origin of language families is long before 3000-2000 BC.
One parting shot, since you took one at me about listening--Yeah, I listen
more than you. You still have that silly idea that water in the mesopotamian
flood can flow up hill carrying the ark from sealevel up to 3000+ feet in
elevation or that the ark can be poled, with all those animals and weight,
by only 8 people against the natural downhill flow of water (3+ mph) which
would exert such a force on the boat that you hypothesis would fail. I would
like to see you do an experiment with 8 people to see if this is possible. I
have yet to see you provide any calculations of the energy requirements of
such a feat of poling the ark uphill at least 3000 feet in elevation against
a flow of water which wouuld have been strong enough to wash everything
away!
Have you ever listened on this point? If so, I don't recall you ever saying
anything about it. On this issue, you ignore natural law every bit as much
as the YECs do on everything else.
glenn
see http://www.glenn.morton.btinternet.co.uk/dmd.htm
for lots of creation/evolution information
anthropology/geology/paleontology/theology\
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