Re: Creation Ex Nihilio and other journals

From: Bill Payne (bpayne15@juno.com)
Date: Mon Jan 08 2001 - 19:56:42 EST

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    On Mon, 8 Jan 2001 06:36:21 -0000 "Glenn Morton"
    <glenn.morton@btinternet.com> writes:

    > Bill, don't confuse this criticism of YEC as implying that God can't
    > intervene in nature. No one is implying that God can't intervene.
    > The problem with the YEC position is that they claim to have a
    perfectly
    > non-miraculous explanation for the flood and then have to reject
    > every single law of nature. One can't have it both ways.

    I see absolutely no reason why God cannot intervene miraculously when He
    chooses, and allow natural means govern at other times. God can do it
    both ways if He so chooses. We pots do not have the option of telling
    the potter anything.

    >If you want a
    > global flood, one that no one can attack, simply say God intervened and
    > accomplished everything miraculously and then cleaned up the
    > evidence so that no one could point a finger at him. That is a
    perfectly
    > reasonable approach to the flood problem. However, No YEC that I know
    of is
    > willing to say that God did it all miraculously. THey always want to
    get famous
    > for proposing theories of the flood.

    I don't recall Ken Ham or Kent Hovind saying that they are not "willing
    to say that God did it all miraculously."

    > Bill, no one is denying that God can make an axhead float if he wants
    to.
    > What people deny is that any of the YEC suggestions will work to solve
    the
    > problems they have. YECs need to simply have the courage to actually
    say,
    > 'God caused the flood miraculously'. No one can criticise a YEC for
    this.

    I imagine Ham and Hovind would be willing to proclaim that 'God caused
    the flood miraculously'. However, they are criticized - they are called
    "liars".

    > But the reason YECs don't do this is because they know that no one will
    > listen to them because even they themselves don't believe that God
    performed
    > the flood in a fully miraculous way. Thus these silly explanations of
    the
    > flood offered by YECs are nothing but evidence of their lack of faith
    in
    > God's miraculous powers.

    I agree with you up to a point. However, silly explanations are only
    man's attempt to explain what we do not understand. They should not be
    used as an excuse to lock God out.

    Bill



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