Re: intelligent design

From: Wendee Holtcamp (wendee@greendzn.com)
Date: Fri Jun 30 2000 - 11:45:35 EDT

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    Bryan R. Cross wrote:
    >ID theory is the claim
    >that intelligent design is empirically detectable and that evidence
    for
    >intelligent design can be found in various scientific disciplines
    (e.g.
    >cosmology, biology). ID theory per se is not committed to
    post-creation
    >'divine intervention' (though of course it is open to it) nor to any
    >particular 'time' of the operation of intelligent agency. (There is a
    wide

    OK so my next question is: does ID necessarily conflict with Darwinian
    evolution? I have been corresponding with someone recently (OEC and
    ID) who says that the Human Genome Project "devastate" Darwinian
    theory because Darwinianism asserts that it was undirected and that it
    progressed randomly, AND it progresses from the simple to the complex.

    Now I teach college biology I and generally consider that I have a
    good understanding of evolutionary theory. And I don't see that
    scientists' current understanding of Darwinian evolution (ie. the
    synthetic theory or neo-Darwinian theory) "claims" that (1) it is
    undirected (2) it progressed randomly (3) it progresses from simple to
    complex.

    My understanding is:
    (1) Some individuals have used "Darwinism" to claim that evolution is
    undirected, but that it is pretty much accepted that science can never
    suggest or prove that there is no God, hence saying evolution is
    undirected will always be speculation, and not a part of a theory.
    Wasn't ASA involved in a successful effort to remove such wording
    (undirected) from some science textbooks?
    (2) Random *mutations* have resulted in changes in the genetic code,
    which when expressed changed the phenotype of an organism -- which the
    environment then can act upon via natural selection. Environmental
    selection is *directed* not random, but mutation is ultimately random.
    Random mutation does not imply *no God* -- but (to me), is something
    indistinguishable from the hand of God. Miracles in the Bible always
    require faith to believe - in every case, you can always explain away
    miracles as "coincidence" or "just nature" (as in the wind separating
    the sea for Moses). Those with faith know God is involved.
    (3) Simple to complex: this is a recurring theme in the Bible. A
    mustard seed grows to a huge "tree" or bush. One kernel dies so the
    rest may live. Genesis - the universe begins from nothing and proceeds
    to complex living organisms. etc etc. Not sure why this is even an
    issue. Apparently ID says that "irreducible complexity" existed in the
    beginning. Well, that is still entirely possible that the first "gene"
    in the first living organism was indeed complex and organized. Why
    does that conflict with Darwinian evolution?

    I would greatly appreciate feedback on these three so that I may
    discuss this issue further with the person I have been corresponding
    with.

    Wendee
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