Re: Politeness

From: AutismUK@aol.com
Date: Fri Nov 24 2000 - 12:31:37 EST

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    Paul Robson: ...
     
     DNAUnion for example claims that there exists here, frequently :-
      
     "those who rely soley on vague appeals to open-system thermodynamics to
     explain the ordering and organizing of simple organics into a functioning
     celll"
     
    DNAunion:
       Nope. You are misrepresenting my statements. I said the argument
       occurs frequently on the *internet*, not *here* at this site. Stick to
       facts, okay.

    Paul Robson:
     Well, I thought you said it was common on this list. I will check it.

     Doesn't matter however, if it is that frequent you should still be able
     to find it.

     Dishonest argument tactic : Distraction, Irrelevancy.
      
    Paul:
     which is, of course, absolute drivel.
     
    DNAunion:
     Yes, *your* statement was absolute drivel, as I just pointed out.

    Paul Robson:
     "The plank of wood in your own eye" springs to mind.

    Paul:
      No-one has ever claimed this (though versions of this is often
      claimed to be an evolutionist argument by creationists).
     
    DNAunion:
     Okay, Paul. Now it is *your* turn to put up or retract. Show us
     proof that no-one ever claimed this.

    Paul Robson:
     Correct. I should have said "In my experience no one has...."

     Dishonest argument tactic : requiring proof of impossible negative.
     
    Paul:
      when asked for an example of this, he first claimed that he didn't
      have the time, then turned out a response from me (standard response to 2nd
      l aw claim) and Chris Cogan (creation of replicators).
      
      Neither of these (i) refer to functioning cells (ii) appeal to OST solely,
      but this didn't stop him categorising them as such.
     
    DNAunion:
     And apparently nothing can stop you from distorting facts either.
     I did not say you and Chris made the *same* argument: I didn't claim either
     of you referred to functioning cells.

    Paul Robson:
       In that case WHAT SLIGHTEST USE is it in defending your original claim.

      "those who rely soley on vague appeals to open-system thermodynamics to
       explain the ordering and organizing of simple organics into a functioning
       cell"

      Dishonest Argument Tactic: Make an assertion, defend a different one
      but pretend you are defending the first one.

    DNAUnion:
     Stop - pay attention - think - learn.
     Can't you understand something when it is explained in simple language to
    you
     time and time again?

    Paul Robson:
     Obviously you can't. I'm still waiting for any support of your original
    claim.
      
    Paul: Called on this,
     
    DNAunion:
     Called on what? On your intentional distortions of my statements?
     It is YOU who should be "called on this".

    Paul Robson:
     Read in context, old boy. It's not too hard.

    Paul:
      he claimed they were a "form" of the above argument, (which they
     aren't either), quoting 2 completely different arguments in support. He has
     not responded since.
     
    DNAunion:
     Wrong. I was the last to reply here publicly. You then wrote me
     *personally* about this. I did not think you deserved a personal reply,

    Paul Robson:
     I don't want one. Sorry bout that. If I reply on AOL it sends it to
     the originator & I sometimes forget to overtype the target address.

    DNAUnion:
     seeing how obstinate and personal you have made this issue, so I did not
     respond.

    Paul Robson:
     Ah, and you are supposed to respond in kind are you ?

    DNAUnion:
     Since you have now twice brought this back into the *public* domain
     here - twice now claiming I won't respond when the only thing I haven't
     responded to is your *private* e-mail to me - I will post publicly my reply
     to what you sent to me privately. That will be in my next post, following
    in
     just a minute or two.

    Paul Robson:
     All this falls under irrelevancy. You still can't support your original
    claim.
     



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