At 02:05 PM 10/23/2000, you wrote:
> >> DNAunion: All life requires that it actively maintain itself far above
>thermodynamic equilibrium. For an acorn to grow into an oak, it must fight
>against, and "overcome", entropic tendencies at every moment along the way.
>This example does not contradict my statements.
>
> >>FMAJ: Exactly. This far for equilibrium thermodynamics is exactly what
>drives evolution and creation of completity. So what does this show?
>
>DNAunion: It shows that there *is* something that opposes matter's being
>organized in complex ways, which must be continually fought: when it is
>battled, it *can* be "overcome".
>
>How many times do I have to explain this. I am *not* stating that increases
>in order or complexity *cannot* occur, just that in order for them to occur,
>that entropy must be *overcome*. Entropy *is* something that opposes
>matter's being arranged in organized and complex ways.
Chris
Actually, I don't think that the complexity of the Universe as a whole
changes at all. *Organization* changes, of course. But, randomness is as
complex as you can get; it's just not organized in ways that we would
recognize as such.
The complexity of randomness is what makes the claims that random processes
cannot produce complexity ironic; that's what random processes are *best*
at producing. What they are not so good at is producing simplicity and
systematic organization.
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