DNAunion: Once again, I see many "counter arguments" to the arguments levied
against ID.
>Richard Wein: Dembski has never backed up his claims with any calculation.
DNAunion: OOL researchers have never backed up their claims that life arose
naturally on Earth with any undirected, synthesis in the whole,
prebiotically-plausible experiments.
>Richard Wein: Nor has he been willing to clarify the method of the Design
Inference.
DNAunion: Nor have OOL researchers ever clarified the processes that led to
the OOL.
>Richard Wein: His silence on these subjects is very telling.
DNAunion: The silence of the OOL researchers is very telling.
>Richard Wein: Even within the inner circle of the ID movement it seems that
there are major disagreements over the Design Inference.
DNAunion: Even within the inner circle of OOL research there are major
disagreements over the OOL.
>Richard Wein: No doubt Dembski and his supporters will try to brazen it out.
DNAunion: No doubt OOL researchers will try to "brazen" it out.
>Richard Wein: But sooner or later their bogus claims will go the way of the
YEC Paluxy River track claims.
DNAunion: But sooner of later OOL researchers' bogus claims will go the way
of the spontaneous generation claims.
>Richard Wein: Those who've supported the Design Inference will be left with
egg on their faces.
DNAunion: Those who've supported purely-natural OOL will be left with egg on
their faces.
>Richard Wein: My impression has been that Stephen generally steers clear of
the subject of the Design Inference and CSI.
DNAunion: My impression has been that most anti-IDists steer clear of the
subject of the OOL.
>Richard Wein: This is quite sensible, as he has probably not read "The
Design Inference."
DNAunion: This is quite sensible, as they have probably not read about the
problems with the RNA world and self-replicators first scenarios; or those
associated with self-organizing, non-information based metabolism first
scenarios, etc.
>Richard Wein: My suggestion to Stephen is that he avoid the subjects of the
Design Inference and CSI like the plague, if he doesn't want to be one of
those with egg on his face. ;-)
DNAunion: My suggestion is that anti-IDists should continue to avoid the
subject of the OOL like the plague, if they don't want to be one of those
with egg on their face ;-)
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