>>Huxter: it is known that DNAunion posted under at least 3 aliases, and on
a numeropus occasions
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DNAunion: Huxter, why are you being so difficult? Why must I defend
something I did on a completely different board, especially when that board
had no rules against doing such? What is your problem (other than your
obvious desire to stir things up and cause trouble for your opponents).
Now, there are several things wrong with your accusations of my wrongdoing.
(1) First, it is not wrong doing! MetaCrock's site has 3 board rules: (1)
Be Nice, (2) Be Interesting, and (3) No Trolls (PS: I actually don't know
what the term "troll" means, just that it is negative: I assume something
along the lines of someone who just drops in to argue). Nowhere does it say
that a person cannot post under multiple names - with no rule prohibiting it,
it is not illegal or unethical or wrong!
(2) Second, there were extenuating circumstances.
I was posting under the name WWASIAUC and had no problems with anyone - I had
made many posts on topics ranging from physics, to biology, to cosmology, etc
with many different people without any incident: all perfectly polite. Then
I started exchanges with someone named Pat (who I wish I never encountered).
After a few posts, I compiled a long list of her/his derogatory statements -
all from a single post of Pat's - about me and posted them to her/him (and
indirectly to the "moderator") asking if using such tactics was really
necessary: requesting a change in attitude, but my request landing on two
sets of deaf ears. Pat's first-strike initiative was just that - it was an
offensive attack, totally unprovoked, and was ongoing. Anyone interested in
the first negative exchange between us can go to the following URL:
http://pub18.ezboard.com/fhavetheologywillarguescienceandreligiousbelief.showM
essage?topicID=105.topic
Or go to the site and try to find a post of mine called "Pat's first strike
initiative".
The point is, Pat and I (as WWASIAUC) had developed a history of exchanging
mostly insults and the scientific discussions were getting nowhere (again, I
began insulting only after I was first insulted without my having provoked
the attack from Pat). Since I saw that no progress could be made I left as
WWASIAUC and came back a couple days later as DNAunion - with a completely
different attitude: polite. This change of names (and attitude) allowed Pat
and me to have meaningful scientific discussions because that bad history
between us was obliterated. I posted again several times without insulting,
but Pat kept on doing her/his old stuff (I stated this at the site, and is
posted below in reply to something else). Finally, Pat made a comment,
irrelevant to the topic of discussion, about me and anuses (along the lines
of "[now that I have managed to work the term anus into my reply] speaking of
anuses, I could make a joke about someone in particular, but I won't") in
her/his reply directly to me. In response, I took the gloves off once again
and began fighting fire with fire (trading insult for insult).
So there was a legitimate reason for my changing of names - an attempt to
erase a bad history between Pat and me - and changing names is not forbidden
on the site.
(3) Third, I did not post as both people at the same time. I originally
posted as WWASIAUC, then left and came back as DNAunion. I never posted as
both people at the same time (As WWASIAUC, I posted some of my DNAunion
material from ARN, but I did not make a claim that the material was either
mine, nor not mine - I simply posted the material).
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>Huxter: DNAunion has abandoned trying to keep his aliases separate, posting
as WWASIAUC yet referring to himself as DNAunion in the text... )
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DNAunion: But I never made any claims while making those DNAunion posts. I
did not say that I was both WWASIAUC and DNAunion, nor that I was one but not
the other. Furthermore, posting under multiple names is not against the
board rules there anyway - I could have posted as both people - at 5 others -
at the same time - for months - (neither of which I did) and still not have
broken any of the site's rules.
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>>Huxter: The coup de grace: … DNAunion writes: "As wwasiauc pointed out
later in his post..." and "wwasiauc pointed out ..." and "Wwasiauc just told
me he is feeling fine..." and in
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DNAunion: But as I stated, statements such as this were made only after I
left as WWASIAUC and came back as DNAunion in order to erase the bad history
between Pat and me so that our discussions could become civil. In order to
achieve this *desirable* goal, I had to refer to WWASIAUC in the third
person. Again, I posted under only 1 name at a time (and even had I used 2,
3, or 10 different names simultaneously, I would not have been breaking a
single board rule at the site).
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Huxter: "DNAunion: wwasiauc asked me to visit this site and clean up some of
his loose ends (we lived together while attending college and were lucky
enough to find jobs at the same company after graduating and remain good
friends)... "
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DNAunion: Yes, that is from my initial post when I returned as DNAunion to
try to establish a meaningful, non-insulting series of exchanges.
Because I would be using the same books as I had before (I couldn't go out
and buy a whole new set of college texts and numerous origin of life books
just so that the bad history between us could be erased), I had to state that
somehow I had access to the same books as before. Thus, I said that "we" had
attended the same college (thus allowing me access to my same college texts I
used before) and that "we" still were good close friends (thus allowing me
access to my many non-college origin of life books that I frequently quote
from). Keep in mind that all of this was as attempt to turn insult-trading
back into a civil discussion.
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>>Huxter: "Wasi and DNAU are the same person. She[sic] admitted it. Sees
nothing wrong with posting two identities on the same board, either. Talking
to herself[sic] is maybe a little pathological, though. "
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DNAunion: Yes, once I retaliated in writing to Pat's *second round* of
first-strike attacks, there was no longer any need to try to maintain the
separate identities, so I admitted it. By the way, I admitted that I was
both WWASIAUC and DNAunion BEFORE anyone called me on it - that is, my
"confession" was voluntary, not forced.
From that site (Huxter posted the link
[http://pub18.ezboard.com/fhavetheologywillarguescienceandreligiousbelief.show
Message?topicID=60.topic&index=51] )
"DNAunion: … When I got rude in response to your ongoing derogatory
statements, I realized that you and I - as WWASIAUC - could no longer have a
meaningful discussion. So I dropped out and returned as DNAunion hoping that
sicne there was no history of bad blood between us - between DNAunion and Pat
- that a calm and reasonable exchange could return. Note how uninsulting I
was when I returned - but NOOOOOO, Pat had to start the same old dirty
tricks, and after a while of submitting to her "abuse", I again retaliated
using her own tactics. And of course, now I am the bad person - LOL! "
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>Huxter: Also:
http://pub18.ezboard.com/fhavetheologywillarguescienceandreligiousbelief.showM
essage?topicID=60.topic&index=62
DNA writes: "PS: About my ArnOrg. When I planned to stage my comeback under a
new identity..."
A third identity....
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DNAunion: An forgotten about identity used only once, and then, only
unintentionally!
I setup up ArnOrg, from work, originally when I tried to erase the bad
history between Pat and me by leaving and coming back under another name, but
then decided that using what is possibly a trademarked or copyrighted
sequence of letters was probably a bad idea. So when I got home and ready to
post, I setup another account as DNAunion. Since I did not know how to
delete the ArnOrg account, it still remained. One day, when I visited the
site from work (from which I had set up the ArnOrg, but not the DNAunion
account), I was automatically, without knowing it, logged in as ArnOrg and
did not realize it until AFTER I made a post and saw the name (I did not
figure out the reason for the automatic login under ArnOrg a day or two after
it occurred). At that point - as soon as the reply was posted - it was too
late to go back and change the user name. I explained most of this, briefly,
just after making the post.
Perhaps, Huxter, you would have realized that my onetime use of this name was
unintentional had you read my statements from the post you linked to.
"DNAunion: PS: About my ArnOrg. When I planned to stage my comeback under a
new identity, I setup ArnOrg but then decided not to use it (realized it
would be wrong to use an organization's URL) but to use my "Real" name,
DNAunion, instead. I am not sure why I just got logged in automatically as
ArnOrg instead of as DNAunion - and I don't know how to logout and back in. "
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>Huxter: So, DNAunion has done it before, and the coincidences of the last
couple of days induced me to make a hasty conclusion that he had done it
again, which may not be valid.
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DNAunion: No, which are in fact not valid.
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>>Huxter: One thing I have noticed is that prior to DNAunion's return, this
list was much more congenial, even when Bertvan engaged in her usual cries
for sympathy.
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DNAunion: Okay, so Huxter is blind in addition to being an instigator.
You see, Huxter, one thing I noticed is that prior to Huxter's unfounded,
uniformed, and incorrect implications of my wrongdoing, and Susan's piling on
top of that the implications of my being a Creationist and being dishonest,
that I was much more congenial.
Open your eyes Huxter and pay attention to reality instead of making your own
up in your head and then trying to project it out onto the world. Go back
and read all my posts here PRIOR to your and Susan's posts related to me (and
others from ARN) and show us all where my statements were objectionable THEN.
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>Huxter: In addition, someone posting as 'Jimmy' on the ARN board also
admitted to posting under a different name at ARN (see
http://pub18.ezboard.com/fhavetheologywillarguescienceandreligiousbelief.showM
essage?topicID=98.topic&index=3)
so my inferrences not simply 'gossip' or unsupportable.
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DNAunion: No, your original "gossip" was just that. Some of your original
*implications* were:
(1) That I was Nucacids here. This is false (as even you now admit)
(2) That I posted under multiple names at ARN. This is also untrue.
(3) That I patted myself on the back at ARN - using my supposed multiple
names to do so, of course. This too is false.
You claimed the same things of Mike Gene (either one of us, or both of us
supposedly did these things). I cannot actually speak for Mike, but to the
best of my knowledge, Mike went by only one name at ARN (his style was pretty
unique, after all) and he did not pat himself on the back either.
(4) That the ARN discussion forum was shut down "in part" because people were
posting there under multiple names. This claim is illogical (as just the one
or tow individuals supposedly doing so would have been "punished" - the
entire board would not have been shut down) and you yourself later
contradicted it (remember those people you claimed got sneakier and got
around being detected!).
Finally, you are basing your case here about Jimmy on a *claimed* personal
e-mail between a known trouble maker (Pantrog) and an opponent that he
despises. Surely you are not so blinded by your drive to stir up trouble
that you can't see that this is not valid evidence. I don't know whether or
not Jimmy is Ecko (or whoever) but I would appreciate your furnishing valid
evidence before you go making claims as fact.
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