Re: Designed Designers?

From: Steven P Crawford (stevenpcrawford@juno.com)
Date: Sat Aug 05 2000 - 15:57:57 EDT

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    On Sat, 5 Aug 2000 12:52:11 EDT Bertvan@aol.com writes:

    [...]

    > Most people engaged in these discussions have strong convictions and
    > I doubt
    > minds are ever changed. The most we can hope for is to understand
    > each
    > other's positions. My attempt to understand yours is sincere, so
    > please
    > correct me when I misrepresent you.

    [...]

    Yes, I need to clarify where I stand. Here's a brief synopsis:

    (1) I am against the Darwinist model of evolution. This means RM & NS.

    (2) Am I against evolution, that is, the concept of common descent with
    modification? Right now, I leans towards a variation of this idea. I do
    not tend to think that all life came from the same original lifeform. I
    believe that God created different kinds of lifeforms or kinds of
    populations of lifeforms. For example, He may have created the original
    plant(s) and then somewhere else at someplace else He may have created
    the original animal(s). From this original specimen or group of
    specimens came the diversity that we see today in its geographical
    distribution.

    (3) The mechanism of this diversification is as yet some undiscovered
    built-in genetic action (in my belief). God made life so that it "wants"
    to diversify, filling in particular ecological niches.

    (4) As for the origins of humans, I tend to believe that humans were
    specially created.

    (5) As for the age of the Earth and Universe, the jury is still out. I
    know that a literal reading of Genesis requires a Universe of around
    6,000 years. Yet, I have not blinded myself to the Universe's apparent
    age. I realize that the evidence for a 4.5-4.6 Gigayear Earth and an
    even older Universe is not something that can be easily brushed aside. I
    would not be surprised if the jury deliberates on this indefinitely.
    (You see I am required to teach YEC to my students. If I came to any
    other conclusion, it might mean losing my job. Yes, we creationists have
    an agenda that influences our approach to evidence just as much as
    evolutionists.)

    (6) As for ID theory, I agree with its basic assertion that organisms
    show design. I also like the evidence that it accrues in favor of such a
    conclusion. I think it's doing good stuff.

    But I disagree that this is an explanation for how such things
    originated. Saying that something is designed is more of a description
    than an explanation. If I asked how did my car get to be a car, it would
    not be sufficient to answer that it was designed that way. One would
    also have to go into the details of how my car was put together. A
    delineation of the directed, physical processes in my car's construction
    at a GM or Ford plant is the only real explanation as to how my car came
    to be a car.

    Since ID theory does not provide any such model for life, I reluctantly
    (yes, very reluctantly) conclude that ID is lacking in explanatory
    content. Thus, I cannot lump it under the heading of "science" or
    "scientific." Saying that something looks designed seems to be about as
    far as ID can go right now. But, then, I don't think anyone really
    contests the notion that lifeforms appear designed (even Richard Dawkins
    would agree to this). Until ID comes up with a delineation of how
    physical processes were intelligently directed to form biochemical
    systems, it will not be a real testable theory. It will instead be
    something of a tautology: things are designed because they look designed,
    and things look designed because they are designed.

    Of course, if my creationist views are correct, then ID (or anyone for
    that matter) should not be able to delineate the processes at work in the
    formation of life. God would've theoretically created life fully formed
    in an instantaneous way. There would no physical processes to talk about
    in life's first generation.

    Oh, and BTW, I also do not like how ID'ers seem to be sheepish with the
    who or what of the designer. It is particularly galling for me to hear
    some claim that design needs no designer.

    Besides these things, I love ID even if they should take great issue with
    my opinions on their theory. (-:

    Steve C.
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