Re: Building the bridge between science, theology

From: Stephen E. Jones (sejones@iinet.net.au)
Date: Mon May 29 2000 - 18:36:25 EDT

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    On Mon, 29 May 2000 01:06:59 +0100, Richard Wein wrote:

    [...]

    >SJ>I am pleased that I have been able to brighten up Richard's day! Richard's
    >>reply brightened up *my* day, for this reason:
    >>
    >>"People who resort to ridicule are often covering up something."
    >>(Johnson P.E., "A Reply to My Critics," in "Evolution as Dogma: The
    >>Establishment of Naturalism," 1990, p34.
    >>http://www.arn.org/docs/johnson/pjdogma3.htm).

    [...]

    RW>Well, if Phillip Johnson said it, it *must* be true!

    It doesn't matter *who* said it. The fact is that if uncommitted members
    of the general public see Darwinists responding with ridicule, they will
    probably assume that the Darwinists are trying to hide something.

    The public these days is used to that type of behaviour from
    politicians and corporate executives who are trying to hide
    something, and so they will probably assume that the Darwinists
    are acting the same way for the same reason.

    The Darwinists' best chance would be to be (or at least appear)
    utterly transparent, honest and humble, courteous, patient and kind
    to those who disagree with them, and then some people might just
    believe them.

    But it is one of the problems of power-elites that it attracts the sort
    of people who find it difficult to be (or at least appear to be)
    utterly transparent, honest and humble, courteous, patient and kind
    to those who disagree with them!

    RW> (Oops... there I go
    >again... I wonder what I'm covering up this time?)

    [...]

    Maybe Richard really isn't covering anything up. But he *appears*
    to be trying to hide something behind his ridicule, and that is what
    count in my (and I am sure the public's) perception.

    BTW I meant to ask what exactly was wrong with my assumption:

    "That Leishman does not get Dembski's name right, only adds to its
    genuineness as a non-partisan opinion (I had never heard of him
    before this)."

    Does Richard really believe that a journalist (whose stock-in-trade
    is words), could be a member of the ID movement and yet repeatedly
    spell Dembski's name "Dembsky"?

    If not, then what *was* Richard's point when he wrote in reply to
    my assumption above:
     
    "Thanks, Stephen. You gave me the best laugh I've had all day. (I
    suppose that doesn't say much for my day so far!)"?

    If this is not simply ridicule, then Richard must have had some
    rational argument in mind against my assumption.

    If that were the case, I would be interested in knowing what it
    was.

    Steve

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