Re: How long must we wait?

Glenn Morton (grmorton@gnn.com)
Thu, 09 Jan 1997 00:08:48

stephen wrote:

>While these are in the same
>order as the standard geological column, they differ markedly in
>thickness, as per the maximums in British Museum of Natural History
>plate reproduced in Milton R., "The Facts of Life: Shattering the
>Myth of Darwinism", Fourth Estate, London, 1992, p144a):

Milton is looking around the world and finding the very thickest deposit from
each epoch. While the thickest Pliocene may be in the Gulf of Mexico it does
not represent more days of deposition or a more complete record of the
Pliocene than other, tinner sections elsewhere. If in the Gulf 15000 feet of
section represents 3 million years. This is 0.06 inches per year. But a
section which only contains 7500 feet may represent deposition throughout the
same time period day by day but at a slower rate. There is no "Standard
geological column" Both represent the same period of deposition
>
>GM>Tertiary Ft. Union Fm..........................100 feet (31m)
>
>Pliocene 4,600m, Miocene 6,400m, Oligocene 7,900m, Eocene 9,100m,
>Paleocene 3,600m. Total 31,600m.
>
>This represents less than 1% of the claimed Tertiary period. What
>happened to the other 99%?
>
>GM>Cretaceous Greenhorn Fm ......................4910 feet (1,497m)
>>Cretaceous Mowry Fm.......................... 5370 feet (1,637m)
>>Cretaceous Inyan Kara Fm......................5790 feet (1,765m)
>
>Total of 16,070 feet = 4,898m. Yet the standard column for the
>Cretaceous is 14,400m. Thus this is only 34% of it.
>
>GM>Jurassic Rierdon Fm...........................6690 feet (2,039m)
>
>The British Museum's table gives 13,500m. This is 15% of that.
>
>GM>Triassic Spearfish Fm.........................7325 feet (2,233m)
>
>The Museum's column for the Triassic reads 9,100m, therefore this
>part of it is only 24%.
>
>GM>Permian Opeche Fm.............................7740 feet (2,359m)
>
>Museum figure for the Permian is 5,800m. This is only 41% of it.
>
>GM>Pennsylvanian Amsden Fm.......................7990 feet (2,435m)
>>Pennsylvanian Tyler Fm........................8245 feet (2,513m)
>>Mississippian Otter Fm........................8440 feet (2,573m)
>>Mississippian Kibbey Lm.......................8780 feet (2,676m)
>>Mississippian Charles Fm......................8945 feet (2,726m)
>>Mississippian Mission Canyon Fm...............9775 feet (2,979m)
>>Mississippian Lodgepole Fm...................10255 feet (3,126m)
>
>These systems making up the Carboniferous total 62,430 feet or
>19,029m. This is actually 32% *more* than what the Museum claims
>the maximum thickness for the Carboniferous 14,400m is!
>
>GM>Devonian Bakken Fm...........................11085 feet (3,379m)
>>Devonian Birdbear Fm.........................11340 feet (3,456m)
>>Devonian Duperow Fm..........................11422 feet (3,481m)
>>Devonian Souris River Fm.....................11832 feet (3,606m)
>>Devonian Dawson Bay Fm.......................12089 feet (3,685m)
>>Devonian Prairie Fm..........................12180 feet (3,712m)
>>Devonian Winnipegosis Grp....................12310 feet (3,752m)
>
>These Devonian strata total 82,258 feet or 25,072m. This is more
>than *twice* (116%) the thickness of the British Museum table's
>maximum thickness for the Devonian of 11,600m.
>
>GM>Silurian Interlake Fm........................12539 feet (3,822m)
>
>This only 37% of the Museum's standard column of 10,400m.
>
>GM>Ordovician Stonewall Fm......................13250 feet (4,039m)
>>Ordovician Red River Dolomite................13630 feet (4,154m)
>>Ordovician Winnipeg Grp......................14210 feet (4,331m)
>>Ordovician Black Island Fm...................14355 feet (4,375m)
>
>These Ordovician systems total 55,445 feet (16,900m). Again, this
>is thicker (38%) than the Museum's total of 12,200m.
>
>GM>Cambrian Deadwood Fm.........................14445 feet (4,403m)
>
>The Museum's figure for the Cambrian is 12,200m. This is therefore
>only 36% of that.
>
>GM>Precambrian..................................14945 feet (4,555m)
>
>The Museum's table gives "Unknown thickness" for the Precambrian.
>
>The total of Glenn's table is 265,042 feet or 80,786m. The total of
>the Museum's table is 135,800m, a difference of 55 kilometres
>between Glenn's table and the Bristish Museum's. Or to put it
>another way, Glenn's table is only 40.5% of the Museum's table in
>thickness. Also there are a lot of sub-systems within each period
>that Glenn's table does not show. For example, under "Jurassic"
>Glenn's table has only one line totaling 6,690 feet or 2.039
>kilometres, yet my Collins Dictionary of Geology lists the
>following:
>

Oh my gosh. Stephen, you totally misunderstood the numbers. The footage I
give is depth below the surface, NOT total thickness. To arrive at thickness
subtract the upper number at each step from the one immediately below it. the
total thickness of the column is NOT 265,042 feet but 14945 feet.
>PERIOD EPOCH AGE
>Jurassic Malm Tithonian
> Kimmeridgian
> Oxfordian
> Dogger Callovian
> Bathonian
> Bajocian
> Aalenian
> Lias Toarcian
> Pliensbachian
> Sinemurian
> Hettangian
>
>If these Epoch's and Ages are normally found globally but they are
>not all found in Glenn's North Dakota column, then it is incorrect for
>him to claim that it "represents rocks of all geologic ages piled up
>in proper order".

They are found there. Nomenclature varies from continent to continent. In
North America we normally use Lower Jurassic for Lias; Middle Jurassic for
Dogger; and Upper Jurassic for Malm. The Kimmeridgian and most of the other
ages are named after particular rock layers which are over there. The
Kimmeridge is a clay which covers poarts of Europe and the East coast of the
US. That clay is marine and does not cover Williston. But while the
kimmeridge was being deposited in Europe another type of rock was being
deposited there. We see this today. In the Bahamas, limestone is being
deposited while in the Gulf of Mexico sands and shales are being deposited.

glenn

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