Re: Declining water and oil

From: bpayne15@juno.com
Date: Sat Nov 15 2003 - 21:52:08 EST

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    On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 08:44:32 -0600 "Glenn Morton"
    <glennmorton@entouch.net> writes:

    GRM: I don't see any connection at all. Producing plankton is easy,
    preserving it is the difficult thing. The current idea on the oceanic
    anoxic events (OAE) is that the global oceanic circulation shut down,
    depriving the deep ocean of oxygen.

    OK, I'll bite. What caused the global oceanic circulation to shut down?
    I can't imagine any configuration of the continents which would shut off
    all circulation. I guess if North America and Europe were joined, that
    would cut off the cold polar water from the North Atlantic which would at
    least slow circulation in the Atlantic in the northern hemisphere. I
    think temperature differences are what drives the circulation?

    At any rate, Art suggested that the marine blooms depleted the oceanic
    oxygen supply, and also supplied the skeletons to form the chalk deposits
    such as we see at Dover, England and the equivalent in south Alabama.

    Thus any dead plankton which fell to the bottom was preserved and buried
    by later plankton which fell on top of them. The widespread nature of
    these OAE's can be shown by the fact that the Eagleford Shale in Texas,
    an organic rich shale, is the very same shale as the Plenus Marl in Great
    Britain, and the source rocks which generated most of the oil in the Gulf
    of Mexico, is Oxfordian and Kimmeridgian in age, the same as the source
    for the oils offshore Nova Scotia and the oil in the NOrth Sea.

    Art's suggestion is great for creating organic matter, but one then has
    to collect it, cook it and turn it into oil and that is much more
    difficult (especially the collecting part since currents carry it away).

    Don't forget, if the OAE was in effect, there may have been shallow,
    landlocked seas. Since we know that plankton (or something) DID collect
    in the organic-rich shales, then we know that there must have been either
    low current flow, or production was high and the currents only spread the
    organics over a wide area within the landlocked sea.

    Incidentally Glenn, one of your arguments against transported organics
    forming coal was that currents would carry the organics out to sea, and
    therefore coal must have formed from swamps in situ. Since we know that
    plankton are marine and therefore transported before they were deposited,
    then by analogy the peat that formed coal could also have been
    transported before deposition. The principle is the same.

    His suggestion doesn't really have anything to do with actually creating
    oil which is more than CH2, which is Methylene and is not a stable
    product. My suspicion is that the energy used to separate out the .
    methylene would be more than its energy content.

    I saw on some YEC video that oil is forming today in the Gulf of
    California. They showed underwater a drop of oil as it escaped from the
    bottom and floated up in the water. The message was that oil is not
    difficult at all to form under the right conditions. We may not know
    what those conditions were, but we do know that oil formed somehow,
    regardless of our ignorance as to the process. Understanding the process
    isn't important in this context. The question is how do we generate the
    organics for the process to convert to oil.

    Bill

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