Instead of an "argumentum ad hominem" we have an "argumentum ad diabolum"
here. The logic is just as fallacious, as Dave and Glenn have pointed out.
So is pulling selected verses out of their biblical contexts and, by making
them to mean whatever you want them to mean, using them to justify your
position and condemn your opponents. Perhaps we could call this the
"argumentum ad biblia," or "dueling verses." Diana Eck once referred to
"ammunition belts full of Bible verses"--a good image.
Bob Schneider
----- Original Message -----
From: "D. F. Siemens, Jr." <dfsiemensjr@juno.com>
To: <jaywillingham@cfl.rr.com>
Cc: <asa@calvin.edu>; <glenn.morton@btinternet.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 4:04 PM
Subject: Re: deception in perception
> I've always loved arguments that assume "I'm right." In Jay's situation,
> "Satan is deceiving you, but God is directing me." It seems clear that
> all Glenn's observations of God's creation need to be corrected by Jay's
> interpretations of scripture, but the latter are not subject to revision
> by understanding what God has made. Are not God's word and his works
> consistent?
> Dave
>
> On Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:27:06 -0400 "Jay Willingham"
> <jaywillingham@cfl.rr.com> writes:
> > Subject: RE: deception in perception
> >
> >
> > Jay, What makes you think that Lucifer isn't deceiving you about
> > what =
> > your
> > > read in Deuteronomy 13? With that great Father of Lies around,
> > are =
> > you sure
> > > he isn't deceiving your eyes right now? If you are sure you are
> > =
> > reading the
> > > correct words, how are you sure?
> >
> >
> >
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> =
> > -------
> >
> >
> > Glenn,
> >
> > I must trust the Spirit of the Lord living in me to guide me toward
> > =
> > truth with a still, quiet voice.
> >
> > In 1 Kings 22, God puts a lying spirit in the mouths of evil King
> > =
> > Ahab's false prophets and without the understanding of the spirit
> > of =
> > God he is deceived.
> >
> > "Job 32
> > 8 But it is the spirit [1] in a man,=20
> > the breath of the Almighty, that gives him understanding.=20
> > Footnotes: 32:8 Or Spirit ; also in verse 18"
> >
> > Psalm 143
> > 10 Teach me to do your will,=20
> > for you are my God;=20
> > may your good Spirit=20
> > lead me on level ground.=20
> >
> >
> > Ephesians 6
> > 12For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the
> > =
> > rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark
> > world =
> > and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.=20
> >
> >
> > 1 Timothy 4
> > 1The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the
> > faith =
> > and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.=20
> >
> >
> > 1 John 4
> > 1Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to
> > see =
> > whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out
> > =
> > into the world.=20
> >
> > Once burnt and twice shy, I am willing to admit that I know my eyes
> > and =
> > my natural instincts will deceive me.
> >
> > I am just asking that those of you who buy the current
> > macroevolutional, =
> > old earth hypothesis to maintain the same kind of skepticism for
> > these =
> > concepts that you do for the seven days of creation.
> >
> > Test and try the spirits.
> >
> > God bless all your efforts, for they are mighty ones from all I have
> > =
> > seen so far.
> >
> > Jay
> >
> >
> >
>
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