Stuart Kirkley added:
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>Perhaps Dick would like to contemplate what the Psalmist was
>considering when he wrote Psalm 8: 'What is man... and the son of
>man...For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast
>crowned him with glory and honour...'
Please don't confuse me with the Bible answer man. When I venture
past Genesis 12, I encounter the same prickles everyone else does.
This is what I said in my book:
The phrase "son of man" appears in both the Old and New Testaments.
It can be perplexing when 'adam is translated as "man," especially
when a word for generic man or mankind was used in the original, 'ish
in Hebrew or 'enash in Aramaic. Psalm 8:4 is a case in point: "What
is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou
visitest him?" How are men different from sons of men? Why the
redundancy? Aren't all men sons of men? Yes, but not all men are
sons of Adam! God is "mindful" of "man" ('ish), but it is the sons
of Adam ('adam) that He visits." This verse reflects the special
relationship Israel enjoyed.
>The Psalmist seemed to have a higher idea of God's man than what you
>have presented here. Is this not the man of Genesis 1:26-28, whom
>God saw, and behold, was found to be very good.
Yes, I believe it is. "God's man," I believe, was Adam.
>Is this not the man which the Psalmist again refers to when he
>exhorts us to uphold in our thought in Ps 37:37 " Mark the perfect
>man and behold the
>upright: for the end of that man is peace'.
I think the meaning here is in light of what goes before:
Psalm 37:35-36: "I have seen the wicked in great power, and spreading
himself like a green bay tree. Yet he passed away, and, lo, he was
not: yea, I sought him, but he could not be found."
The psalmist, David, is comparing righteous men as against the unrighteous.
>>You may think that there were humans worthy of salvation earlier than
>>God thought so. But I trust in God's timing. And if you don't like
>>God's timing, you are stuck with it anyway. Probably the only reason
>>I find comfort in God's timing is because I have had a longer period
>>of time to think about it. Sure I have questions. Why did God
>>create Satan or the rest of the heavenly host that fell to earth in
>>Satan's rebellion against God? Why not snuff them all out Ananias
>>and Sapphira style? (Acts 5:1-5).
>>
>>The fact is that His ways are higher, and His thought are higher, and
>>we aren't privy, except that He has made a book available to us, and
>>through the Holy Spirit, there are those who He may communicate with
>>as it pleasures Him. But there seems to be a few things He doesn't
>>bother to tell us outright. However, if we have submitted ourselves
>>to Jesus Christ and have questions, search His Word, are willing to
>>be taught, have a humble attitude, and do an honest search, we may be
>>rewarded.
>
>Well said, but in referring to what I wrote above, and in
>consideration of what you have written here, it could only do you
>good to consider again what the Psalmist meant. The writer of Hebrews
>had a pretty good handle on this issue and gives a very good
>summation in Hebrews 2: 6-18.
Amen.
Dick Fischer - The Origins Solution - www.orisol.com
"The answer we should have known about 150 years ago"
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Stuart Kirkley added:<br><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite>Perhaps Dick would like to
contemplate what the Psalmist was <br>
considering when he wrote Psalm 8: 'What is man... and the son of <br>
man...For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast
<br>
crowned him with glory and honour...'</blockquote><br>
Please don't confuse me with the Bible answer man. When I venture
past Genesis 12, I encounter the same prickles everyone else does.
This is what I said in my book:<br><br>
<font face="Arial, Helvetica">The phrase "son of man" appears
in both the Old and New Testaments. It can be perplexing when
<i>'adam</i> is translated as "man," especially when a word for
generic man or mankind was used in the original, <i>'ish</i> in Hebrew or
<i>'enash</i> in Aramaic. Psalm 8:4 is a case in point: "What
is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou
visitest him?" How are men different from sons of men?
Why the redundancy? Aren't all men sons of men? Yes, but not
all men are sons of Adam! God is "mindful" of
"man" (<i>'ish</i>), but it is the sons of Adam (<i>'adam</i>)
that He visits." This verse reflects the special relationship
Israel enjoyed.<br><br>
</font><blockquote type=cite class=cite cite>The Psalmist seemed to have
a higher idea of God's man than what you <br>
have presented here. Is this not the man of Genesis 1:26-28, whom
<br>
God saw, and behold, was found to be very good.</blockquote><br>
Yes, I believe it is. "God's man," I believe, was
Adam.<br><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite>Is this not the man which the
Psalmist again refers to when he exhorts us to uphold in our thought in
Ps 37:37 " Mark the perfect man and behold the <br>
upright: for the end of that man is peace'. </blockquote><br>
I think the meaning here is in light of what goes before:<br><br>
Psalm 37:35-36: "I have seen the wicked in great power, and
spreading himself like a green bay tree. Yet he passed away, and, lo, he
was not: yea, I sought him, but he could not be found."<br><br>
The psalmist, David, is comparing righteous men as against the
unrighteous.<br><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite>>You may think that there were
humans worthy of salvation earlier than<br>
>God thought so. But I trust in God's timing. And if you
don't like<br>
>God's timing, you are stuck with it anyway. Probably the only
reason<br>
>I find comfort in God's timing is because I have had a longer
period<br>
>of time to think about it. Sure I have questions. Why did
God<br>
>create Satan or the rest of the heavenly host that fell to earth
in<br>
>Satan's rebellion against God? Why not snuff them all out
Ananias<br>
>and Sapphira style? (Acts 5:1-5).<br>
><br>
>The fact is that His ways are higher, and His thought are higher,
and<br>
>we aren't privy, except that He has made a book available to us,
and<br>
>through the Holy Spirit, there are those who He may communicate
with<br>
>as it pleasures Him. But there seems to be a few things He
doesn't<br>
>bother to tell us outright. However, if we have submitted
ourselves<br>
>to Jesus Christ and have questions, search His Word, are willing
to<br>
>be taught, have a humble attitude, and do an honest search, we may
be<br>
>rewarded.<br><br>
Well said, but in referring to what I wrote above, and in <br>
consideration of what you have written here, it could only do you <br>
good to consider again what the Psalmist meant. The writer of Hebrews
<br>
had a pretty good handle on this issue and gives a very good <br>
summation in Hebrews 2: 6-18.</blockquote><br>
Amen.<br><br>
Dick Fischer - <i>The Origins Solution</i> -
<a href="http://www.orisol.com/" eudora="autourl"><font
color="#0000FF"><u>www.orisol.com</a><br>
</u></font>"The answer we should have known about 150 years
ago" </html>
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