Re: Oppressive YEC

From: Bill Payne (bpayne15@juno.com)
Date: Wed May 01 2002 - 00:17:32 EDT

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    Hey My Friend,

    On Sat, 27 Apr 2002 13:08:55 -0700 "Glenn Morton"
    <glenn.morton@btinternet.com> writes:
    >
    > No, Guy, all roads lead to the conclusion of a young-earth.

    Is that a Freudian slip? :-)

    > Everything verifies everything else. The only reason one would deny
    these
    > verifications by various methods is for theological reasons. What
    > you are seeking is some way to think the world is different than it
    really
    > is.

    I don't have time to get into a protracted discussion, but I can't resist
    mentioning that coal seams (at least the eastern US ones) don't fit the
    OEC model. One of the common features of these seams that doesn't fit
    the swamp model is the sharp bottom contact of coal with the substrate.
    In GSA SP 286, _Modern and Ancient Coal-Forming Environments_, the paper
    "Inorganic Geochemistry of domed peat in Indonesia", p 30-31, peat is
    defined as material which has 1-5% ash, then there is a gradational zone
    with 5 to 25% ash, and the mineral substrate is defied as >25% ash. If
    this material were lithified, there would be a gradational boundary at
    the bottom of the peat (which would be turned to coal).

    In the paper "Two Middle Pennsylvanian Coal Beds" (p 127-128), graphs are
    presented showing the ash in the transition from coal to substrate in two
    samples. Ash content jumps from about 10 to 15% in the coal (sample
    height appears to be about 5 inches) to 80 to 90% in the substrate. The
    jump is similar in a Stockton coal (p 126) and two Fire Clay coal (p 127,
    128) increment columns.

    As far as I could tell, the varioius authors never notice or attempt to
    reconcile the discrepancies between the Indonesian peat deposits, said to
    be a modern analog for coal swamps, and the Pennsylvanian coal seams they
    are said to represent.

    Bill

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