Re: The Fourth Day falsifies Concordism (was Eisele v Seely)

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Date: Tue Apr 23 2002 - 23:34:35 EDT

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    Jim wrote,

    << THE SEQUENCE OF EVENTS IN GEN 1 IS ACCURATE >>

    Although the sequence of events in Gen 1 does not completely match up with
    modern science on any day, the most telling act in Genesis 1 which shows that
    the sequence does not match the order of modern science is the creation of
    the sun on the fourth day. Concordists, of course, can "explain" this; but,
    it is important to realize that their "explanation-interpretation" departs
    from both the historical interpretation of the Church and from the clear
    majority of modern biblical scholars. So, listen up, Jim, there IS a
    consensus about the meaning of Day 4 and therein concordism as a whole. It is
    that the Bible is saying the sun did not exist as a functioning body until
    the fourth day.

    Theophilus (2nd century)said, "On the fourth day the luminaries were
    made...the plants and seeds were produced prior to the heavenly
    bodies..."(Theophilus to Autolycus 2:15 in The Ante-Nicene Fathers Vol. 2,
    pp. 100-101 )

    Origen (3rd century) said that on the fourth day "...God orders lights to
    come into existence." (Homilies on Genesis and Exodus, Washington, D.C.:
    Catholic University of America Press, 1981, p. 53)

    John Chrysostom (4th century) said "Sacred Scripture teaches us that the
    creation of this heavenly body [the sun] took place three days later, after
    the growth of all the plants..." (St. John Chrystostom, Homilies of Genesis
    1-17, Washington, D.C.: Catholic University of America Press, 1985, p. 84)

    St. Basil (4th century) "The first day and night were not ruled yet by solar
    motion… …The adornment of the earth [with plants] is older than the sun…"
    (cited in Ancient Christian Commentary on Scripture, Genesis 1-11, Downers
    Grove: IV Press, 2001, 7, 15)

    Ambrose (4th century) "Let everyone be informed that the sun is not the
    author of vegetation…The sun in younger than the green shoot, younger than
    the green plant…Look first on the firmament of heaven which was made before
    the sun. …Look at the plants of the earth which preceded in time the light of
    the sun….Three days have passed. …the day too has its light, which is itself
    the precursor of the sun." (Hexamemeron 3:6, 4:1, cited in Ancient Christian
    Commentary on Scripture, Genesis 1-11, Downers Grove: IV Press, 2001, 15, 17)

    Ephrem the Syrian (4th century) said, "Light in its primordial form did not
    come from the sun, which had not yet been created." (cited in Ancient
    Christian Commentary on Scripture, Genesis 1-11, Downers Grove: IV Press,
    2001, 7)

    Augustine (5th century) , "But the first three days of all had no sun, for
    that was made on the fourth day." (St. Augustine, The City of God 11:7, p
    3l7) He reiterates this in his Two Books on Genesis against the Manichaeans
    1:14.20-23.

    Martin of Braga (6th century) said, "Genesis reports that the lights of the
    sun and moon were created on the fourth day." ("Easter," in Iberian Fathers
    Vol. 1, Washington, D.C.: Catholic University of America Press, 1969, p. 106)

    John of Damascus (8th century) said, "It was into these luminaries that the
    Creator put the primordial light...as we said, the sun was created on the
    fourth day." (St. John of Damascus, Orthodox Faith Book 2, Washington, D.C.:
    Catholic University of America Press, 1958, PP. 216, 220)

    Luther (16th century) commenting on Day 1: "Here, too, arises the question as
    to what kind of light that was by which the heavens and the earth in its yet
    unshaped and unadorned form was lighted, for then the sun and stars were not
    yet created."(Commentary on Genesis, Grand Rapids: Zondervan, repr 1958, 13)
    and "...they even discuss why God provided the earth with fruit on the third
    day before he had equipped the heaven with stars." (Luther's Works, Vol. 1,
    Lectures on Genesis, Chapters 1-5, St. Louis: Concordia, 1958, 38; cf. p. 5)

    Calvin (16th century) said, "It did not happen fortuitously that herb and
    trees were created before the sun and the moon...in order that we might learn
    to refer all things to him, he did not then make use of the sun or moon."
    (John Calvin, Commentary on Genesis, Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1948, p. 82)

    This historic interpretation of Day 4 is also supported by the consensus of
    modern biblical scholars. I could name more, but let these evangelical OT
    scholars suffice:

    Keil and Delitzsch: "It is true the morning and evening of the first three
    days were not produced by the rising and setting of th sun, since the sun was
    not yet created." (Biblical Commentary on the OT, Vol 1, Grand Rapids:
    Zondervan, repr 1951) 51

    H. C. Leupold: "He who notices at once there was no sun to serve as a vehicle
    for thelight observes the truth….The last three days are clearly controlled
    by the sun, which is created on the fourth day." (Exposition of Genesis,
    Grand Rapids: Baker, 1950) 52

    John Walton: "If we were to ask what the Israelite understanding of the
    physical structures connected with light were that allowed it to exist
    independently of the sun…[we would have to speculate]" (Genesis, Grand
    Rapids: Zondervan, 2001, 79)

    Victor Hamilton: "It will perhaps strike the reader of this story as unusual
    that its author affirms the existence of light (and a day for that matter)
    without the existence of the sun, which is still three 'days' away….What the
    author states is that God caused the light to shine from a source other than
    the sun for the first three 'days.'" (The Book of Genesis Chapters 1-17,
    Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1990, 121)

    Bruce Waltke: "Since the sun is only later introduced as the immediate cause
    of light, the chronology of the text emphasizes that God is the ultimate
    source of light. The dischronologization probably functions as a polemic
    against the pagan religions…" (Genesis, Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 2001, 61)

    Kenneth Mathews: "The source of creation's first 'light' is not specifically
    stated. Since it is not tied to a luminating body such as the sun…. On this
    day [the fourth day] the luminaries are created and placed in the heavens…the
    creation of the sun and moon in v. 16 stands as the centerpiece." (Genesis
    1-11:26, Nashville: Broadman & Holman, 1996, 145, 153)

    Gordon Wenham: "There is no problem in conceiving of the creatioin of light
    before the heavenly bodies (vv 14-19).Their creation on the fourth day
    matches the creation of light on the first day of the week." ( Genesis 1-15,
    Waco: Word, 1987, 18)

    There is a clear solid consensus of Christian scholars both ancient and
    modern that Genesis 1 is saying that the sun was not created until Day 4,
    after light, after the firmament, after plants. That leaves Concordism's
    "interpretation" as a "private interpretation." Concordism is to the biblical
    data what creation "science" is to the scientific data. For the sake of a
    "private interpretation," they both suppress light.

    Paul



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