Dear Bob,
I I agree.Moreover,debunking YECism is only half of what needs to be done.I
think that the real need is to produce and proclaim a solid, consistent,
biblically based theology of creation that incorporates evolution as the
best scientific explanation for the diversity of life. Now, I know that
Howard, Dick, and George have produced such theologies.The problem seems to
be getting the word out. Unfortunately, YEC is like the storm and ASA is
like the still, small voice.
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From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu]On
Behalf Of Robert Schneider
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 6:02 PM
To: asa@calvin.edu
Subject: Re: A matter of trust?(Or why YEC persists)
Last week, I got a message from a colleague at Berea College that the
local chapter of Chi Alpha, the Assemblies of God campus Christian group and
the YEC outpost there (they have been cultivated by Answers in Genesis),
held a "Creation Week." A local YEC gave a lecture one night, and a filmed
lecture by the famous Kent Hovind was shown each other night. Only a few
students showed up for the first film (all Chi Alpha members) and there were
half as many faculty (a couple of whom had Googled Hovind and came armed).
My colleague reported that following the showing the students and faculty
had a frank and friendly discussion, "but," he said, "I felt like I was
talking to a stone."
I don't think it is possible to bring an end to YECism through compelling
evidence, reason, and argument, as has been pointed out here recently. What
any good response to it may be able to do is to enlighten those not yet
brainwashed, who might still be open enough to learn what evolution really
is, what YEC really is, and what the Bible really has to say about creation.
That is why I keep on talking and writing, not to convince the YECs, but
those listening in.
Bob Schneider
----- Original Message -----
From: Shuan Rose
To: Jim Eisele ; asa@calvin.edu
Cc: dawsonzhu@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 4:21 PM
Subject: RE: A matter of trust?(Or why YEC persists)
Hi Jim,
I agree with much of your post (Yes, we can agree!). However, I
think the biggest blame lies not not on the seminaries, but on church
leaders and church members who grew up with YEC and who are comfortable with
it. They then surround themselves with likeminded folks, and so they don't
understand how wacky their ideas appear to the outside world. Athiests who
disagree with them are of course blinded by Satan, and Christians who
disagree are " liberal apostates", "Judases", "so called Christians", etc.
I think the biggest reasoon why YECism exists is the Argument from Personal
Comfort-this contradicts my simple, literalistic interpretation of the Bible
and so I won't even consider the evidence for evolution or an Old
Earth-or if I do, I want mathematic proof.
A second reason is that, lets face it, like so much of science, the
theory of evolution is counter intuitive. Can Homo Sapiens -the species that
builds skyscrapers and sends people to the Moon- really be closely related
to chimpanzees? And could humans possibly be related to that fish that I see
staring up from my plate? It sometimes boggles even my mind, and I believe
in evolution!
So the second reason why YECism will persist is the Argument from
Personal Incredulity-this can't possibly be true!They breed dogs and dogs,
and the result is dogs!
While I wish you luck with your Web Site, I expect Yecism to persist
and even grow. You should realise that there are already many anti YEC
sites and discussion groups, starting with the ASA site.If you check the
talk.origins links list page, you will find many more.They have been unable
to put a dent in Yecism. However, fight the good fight! If you can't stop
'em, at least you can slow 'em down. And please post a link to your new
site when it goes up.
,.
-----Original Message-----
From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu]On
Behalf Of Jim Eisele
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 7:09 AM
To: asa@calvin.edu
Cc: dawsonzhu@aol.com
Subject: Re: A matter of trust?
Wayne writes
>When the foundations
>of the six day creation crumbled, the rest of the faith
>gradually died with it.
Thanks for the contribution, Wayne. Earlier in your note
you mentioned that none of us has a right to insist on our
interpretation. I'll take this a five steps further.
A) YECs greatly fear the truth. How much denial do you
think Henry Morris is in?
B) When one examines the truth, one tends to get convicted.
Far easier to question the motivation of the person
providing the truth.
C) I put the blame squarely on seminaries. Do they make an
honest effort to discuss all sides, and let the truth
prevail? God help them if they don't.
D) Even if interpretations differ, we can all learn from
each other, and be strengthened by each other.
E) The greatest sins, IMHO, are pride and arrogance. Pride
is too much for me to tackle. Arrogance says "Let me
show you where you're wrong" A better approach is, well,
for starters, how about reading the OT? It's all about
Jewish people and their history. The length of creation
is one-two pages out of about eleven hundred. When I
read the OT, I was infuriated at everything being left
out of the Sunday pulpit (my last post about the 70 weeks
to Messiah prophecy being a prime example). A "day" is not
always 24 hours. If you have knowledge of the OT, taking
that position (what should we call this) is truth suppression.
Jim
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