Re: Ramblings on a "High View" of Scripture

From: Robert Schneider (rjschn39@bellsouth.net)
Date: Sat Apr 06 2002 - 23:02:53 EST

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    Thanks, Jon, for your personal reflections on this.

        Below, you write:

    > Then we have the common where when people say they defend the inerrant
    > Scriptures, what they are really defending an errant interpretation of
    > them and are trying to boost the credibility that interpretation, no
    > doubt unconsciously, by saying this is what the inerrant Scriptures
    > really say.

    I agree this is a common phenomenon, which I have also run into. Bernard
    Ramm makes this point also when he notes as a "psychological problem ...
    that so many Christians fail to differentiate interpretation from
    inspiration [italics in the original]" (_The Christian View of Science and
    Scripture_, 40). It is a point that I intend to emphasize in my exposition
    of inerrancy. A Muslim scholar made a comment about the Qu'ran that can
    also be applied to the Bible: "Scripture is divine, interpretation is
    human." The claim that the Bible is inerrant should not be a stopping point
    but a commencement that leads the believer into consequent questions of
    meaning and application.

    Bob Schneider

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Jonathan Clarke" <jdac@alphalink.com.au>
    Cc: <asa@calvin.edu>
    Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 10:52 PM
    Subject: Ramblings on a "High View" of Scripture

    > I would affirm that Scripture is inspired, authoritative, normative, and
    > sufficient for salvation and the Christian life. The Bible makes these
    > statements about itself and by faith I accept them. If this is what is
    > meant by "high" then I have a "high" view of Scripture.
    >
    > I also have no problem with the concept of "infallibility" if my this we
    > mean that when believed and obeyed, God's word cannot fail to be
    > effective in the believers life, and my own life story is testimony to
    > that
    >
    > However I get a bit twitchy when people start using words such as
    > "inerrant". There are several reasons for this. What is meant by in
    > errant?
    >
    > Is it a particular translation? Speaking two languages and have a
    > smattering of a couple of others I can't accept that any translation is
    > without error, it is merely a question of degree.
    >
    > Is it a particular Greek or Hebrew text? The only reason I have seen this
    >
    > advanced is by people who want to argue a particular translation is
    > inerrant. This has no foundation as far as I can see in the Bible or in
    > scholarship.
    >
    > Is it the original autographs? This is a popular definition, but seeing
    > we don't have them, are unlikely to ever have them, and probably would
    > not recognise them if we did, it isn't very useful.
    >
    > Then we have the common where when people say they defend the inerrant
    > Scriptures, what they are really defending an errant interpretation of
    > them and are trying to boost the credibility that interpretation, no
    > doubt unconsciously, by saying this is what the inerrant Scriptures
    > really say.
    >
    > All these problems lead to most thought out statements of Niblical
    > inereancy being convoluted and even contradictory. It s several years
    > since I have read them, but I recall that the shorter and longer versions
    >
    > of the Chicago statement actually say quite different things. At that
    > time I could have signed off on one (the longer, I think, which is more
    > qualified), but not the other.
    >
    > Finally we have the case where people extend use the extend the concept
    > of inerrancy to fields that are beyond equipping the believer in
    > righteousness.
    >
    > I wonder if it is possible to have too high a view of Scripture?
    >
    > The development of the doctrine of inerrancy by Warfield et al. came
    > after the affirmation of papal infallibility. Is there a link here -
    > catholics declared that they had an infallible pope, so protestants
    > declared they had an inerrant Bible?
    >
    > Blessings
    >
    > Jon
    >
    > "Terry M. Gray" wrote:
    >
    > > Bob,
    > >
    > > The definitive work is that of Hodge and Warfield entitled
    > > "Inspiration" (1881, rpt. Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Book House, 1979).
    > > Along the same lines is the work of J. G. Machen from the 1920's and
    > > 1930's. Many scholars in conservative Presbyterian denominations
    > > (OPC, PCA, EPC) would continue to stand by Machen's work.
    > >
    > > A more recent statement and discussion by faculty of the Westminster
    > > Seminaries (Philadelphia and Escondido) is "Inerrancy and
    > > Hermeneutic: A Tradition, a Challenge, a Debate" (1988) edited by
    > > Harvie M. Conn.
    > >
    > > A more broadly evangelical statement is in D.A. Carson and John D.
    > > Woodbridge's collection of essays entitled, "Scripture and Truth"
    > > (1983)
    > >
    > > I'm sure that there are other more fundamentalist statements, say
    > > such as Lindsell's, "The Battle for the Bible", but the one's that I
    > > have mentioned are significantly more nuanced, in my opinion. For
    > > what it's worth, I would place myself in this conservative
    > > Presbyterian tradition, so, indeed, there are some of us with these
    > > views in the ASA. When I was in my mid-20's, I spent several years
    > > reading the then current literature pro and con on the question of
    > > inerrancy. I gave close attention to what has been labeled
    > > neo-evangelical views (Rogers, McKim, the later Pinnock, etc.) I came
    > > to the conclusion early in my study that my belief in Christianity
    > > would withstand a re-working of my views on Biblical inerrancy,
    > > infallibility, and authority (i.e. a denial of inerrancy and
    > > infallibility), but in the end I re-affirmed my belief in Biblical
    > > inerrancy and infallibility along the more nuanced lines of the
    > > Hodge, Warfield, Machen, and Westiminster Seminary position. For the
    > > Old Princeton/Westminster school, the ontological character of
    > > scripture (as verbal, plenary, inerrant, infalllible inspiration) is
    > > maintained and the "problems" are hermeneutical (what's the genre? --
    > > is there an accomodation to common language? -- etc.) and perhaps a
    > > recognition that unsolved "problems" don't necessarily undercut what
    > > scripture says about itself. (For a very nice discussion of this in a
    > > slightly different context see Davis Young's final chapter of
    > > "Christianity and the Age of the Earth".)
    > >
    > > I often get the feeling around the ASA that we must abandon this
    > > "high view of scripture" in order to not end up as young-earth
    > > creationists. It is clear to me that this was not the case for Hodge,
    > > Warfield, Machen, and others. I seldom see this view being defended
    > > in ASA circles (for fear of being labeled an evangelical or even
    > > worse, a fundamentalist).
    > >
    > > TG
    > > --
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    > > Terry M. Gray, Ph.D., Computer Support Scientist
    > > Chemistry Department, Colorado State University
    > > Fort Collins, Colorado 80523
    > > grayt@lamar.colostate.edu http://www.chm.colostate.edu/~grayt/
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