Shuan wrote:
Let's discuss just what evolution would mean if it were true. If
evolution were true then there would be absolutely no point to life
except to reproduce. We are merely links on a chain. We are the highest
and most advanced form that evolution has taken, but eventually we'll be
regarded as pond scum. We are insignificant individuals on an
insignificant planet in an insignificant solar system in an
insignificant galaxy in an insignificant universe. What we do today will
hold little or no significance for future generations and there are no
consequences for our actions. You believe that there is no God or if
there is a God he did a crappy job creating the universe and then just
kicked back after he finished his "half-ass job" and let nature do it
itself (which according to theistic evolutionists did a much better job
than God did).
Lucy responds:
Shuan, I cannot imagine how you arrived at these conclusions and wonder
if you heard them from a pastor in a fundamentalist church? Good
heavens...it appears you are saying that a "work in progress" is
necessarily inferior. What evolution "means" to me is God is simply not
quite finished with us yet. And why should He be? Why on earth would
we deny God the ability to take His time making us into the perfect
creatures He desires? I have many purposes in life (and only one
child). I have never felt insignificant. Also, you seem to have the
idea that God created everything EXCEPT nature; that is, you seem to
believe that when "nature" is working God has no part in the process.
There's a point of logic missing here. Just think about it. If God
created everything, then God created nature, and evolution, and gravity,
and so on.
Shuan wrote:
In fact it is not technically a science at all. Common descent can not
be directly observed so it must be believed in faith. This makes it a
religion.
Lucy responds:
No, Shuan. We also didn't see all the volcanic eruptions that created
landmasses all over the planet, but our belief in those geologic facts
does not make geology a religion. There is plenty of scientific
evidence to support both evolution and the geologic creation of land
masses. They are sciences because of the **way** that information is
known (measurement, empiricism, etc.).
Shuan wrote:
Numerous times contradictions and nonsense occur in evolution.
Lucy responds:
Yes...and contradictions and nonsense occur in medical science, too,
over the ages. But a science it remains, and our steady improvement in
medical science does not make older practitioners quacks - they did the
best they could with the knowledge at hand. Importantly, you should
note that a huge percentage of our "improved knowledge" is *ALL* of the
sciences has a strong foundation in prior facts. Rarely do we throw out
entire ideas and replace them with something new. We add to existing
knowledge. Such is the case with evolution and medicine.
Shuan wrote:
If you believe in evolution, you believe that nothing came from nowhere
to create the big bang. Inanimate material self-organized into a complex
universe. Electricity struck ozone to create inanimate organic material
which in turn self-organized within a chaotic environment to create
proteins. These inanimate objects also self-organized and turned from
non-living to living. These single celled creatures who were incapable
of thought, through personification, willingly changed their genetic
structure. Through a fluke two fragile sexes were developed (which is
de-evolution because it makes reproduction much more fragile, unlikely,
and difficult) which both survived and thrived. After this, cells began
to group together to form multi-cellular animals which, in turn, mutated
their own dna and after a series of impossible circumstances became life
as we know it.
Lucy responds:
Wow! Where did you study biology? I have **got** to meet your teacher
and take him out for a stiff whiskey (just brought back some great
stuff from Scotland). Single celled creatures *willingly* changed their
genetic structure???? How do those little guys do that? Please tell me
immediately because I desperately want to look like Kim Bassinger and
will *will* myself right away! Shuan - you speak as though the
inanimate becoming the animate is crazy thinking (even though we are
composed of all sorts of inanimate stuff like hydrogen and oxygen and
carbon), but you don't think God waving a magic wand to create the
universe out of nothing in seven days is a bit daft. Where is your logic?
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