At 12:08 PM 03/04/02 -0700, D. F. Siemens, Jr. wrote:
>This is clearly an attempt to twist matters. My statement clearly
>specifies that the time of this uncreated universe is what we have at
>present. In plain language, it is a denial that there is a t=0. It seems
>you are trying to import the notion of creation into what can at most be a
>matter of forming or possibly reforming a deity/universe without
>beginning, therefore, without creation as the term is normally used.
What do you consider to be "time" ? God created "time" as part of our
created universe. That we cannot imagine what it is to be outside "time"
does not mean that "time" is not created. Another question is: What is
"eternity" where God lives? Is it possible for God to have another created
"universe" with a completely different understanding of "time", and
five-dimensional?
That we cannot imagine it, does not mean it does not exist. For me talking
about "before creation" becomes nonsense. We don't know anything about
a"before creation." Maybe it does not exist. "Before" is a human word,
Jan de K.
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