Re: Science and religion: two ways of knowing

From: Jonathan Clarke (jdac@alphalink.com.au)
Date: Mon Apr 01 2002 - 17:10:03 EST

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    Hi Paul

    How does this differ from Bacon's two books approach, for better and worse?

    Jon

    PHSEELY@aol.com wrote:

    > Shuan wrote,
    >
    > << I like this definition of science:
    > Science is a way of knowing that through observation, experiment and
    > reasoning comes to conclusions about the physical world.."
    > A fellow named Weinberg wrote it somewhere, but I can't track it
    > down). Science is not the search for all truth, just the truth about the
    > physical world.
    >
    > Now, modern atheists might argue that scientific truth is the ONLY
    > truth, but of course they are wrong, and even nonreligious folks would
    > reject such reductionism.However, in the scientific enterprise, the only
    > permissible way of knowing is through the scientific method, AKA
    > methodological naturalism (MN).A lot of people dislike this, and would like
    > to supplement the scientific method with another method, I.e
    > revelation.However, revelation properly belongs not to science, but to
    > religion.
    >
    > Religion is a way of knowing that through revelation, practice, and
    > faith, comes to conclusions about the supernatural world.Through religion we
    > experience God. Through science we investigate the physical world. Two
    > different ways of knowing, two different realities.
    > I think all religious believers should oppose the attempts of Dawkins
    > and others to insist that science has excluded all other types of truth,
    > except those that can be known through the scientific method. This is what
    > metaphysical naturalism says. Properly applying the scientific method,
    > however, cannot lead to that conclusion, for the scientific method can only
    > answer questions about the physical world.It can neither prove nor disprove
    > the existence of the spiritual world.
    >
    > When , however,YECs insist on tailoring scientific truth to a literal
    > reading of revelation, they deform science(and revelation).Scientific truth
    > has its own space and validity, apart from revelation.Revelation is also
    > true, just not in a scientific way.We can still say God created the heavens
    > and the earth, and leave it to science to spell out the details. Indeed ,
    > the biblical writers had they know how much greater and more wonderful
    > universe was than they envisaged, would surely have found even greater
    > reason to praise God.
    >
    > The metaphysical naturalist looks through his microscope, performs his
    > scientific test, measures his specimen, and says: There is no god.
    > The YEC looks at his three thousand year old text, interprets it
    > literally,and says: There is no evolution.Both make the mistake of applying
    > the wrong way of knowing to the wrong reality.Both are far from the truth
    > about either reality.
    >
    > I posted the above on the BaptistBoard message Board, hoping for some
    > comment. I would ask for comments now from this listserv, especially on the
    > "two ways of knowing" approach. Do folks on the list think this is valid. >>
    >
    > I think it is valid. I wrote the first two chapters of my book Inerrant
    > Wisdom around this concept of two ways of knowing. It is also the basis of
    > the distinction between prophet/prophesying and teacher/teaching in the NT.
    > The very first verse of the Bible assumes (1) you have some spiritual
    > awareness of who/what God is and (2) a nature-based empirical awareness of
    > what "heavens and earth" are. By common grace, all of humankind is able to
    > achieve a true knowledge of the natural world (Gen 1:26-28; Matt 16:2,3);
    > but, even though all humankind has some knowledge of God by general
    > revelation, a true knowledge of Christ only comes by special revelation (Matt
    > 16:17).
    > Theologians may want to make a few more distinctions; and one could talk
    > about the overlap of the two realms, but fundamentally there are two ways of
    > knowing.
    >
    > Paul



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