Re: Science and religion: two ways of knowing

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Date: Mon Apr 01 2002 - 14:58:10 EST

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    Shuan wrote,

    << I like this definition of science:
           Science is a way of knowing that through observation, experiment and
     reasoning comes to conclusions about the physical world.."
           A fellow named Weinberg wrote it somewhere, but I can't track it
     down). Science is not the search for all truth, just the truth about the
     physical world.
     
           Now, modern atheists might argue that scientific truth is the ONLY
     truth, but of course they are wrong, and even nonreligious folks would
     reject such reductionism.However, in the scientific enterprise, the only
     permissible way of knowing is through the scientific method, AKA
     methodological naturalism (MN).A lot of people dislike this, and would like
     to supplement the scientific method with another method, I.e
     revelation.However, revelation properly belongs not to science, but to
     religion.
     
           Religion is a way of knowing that through revelation, practice, and
     faith, comes to conclusions about the supernatural world.Through religion we
     experience God. Through science we investigate the physical world. Two
     different ways of knowing, two different realities.
           I think all religious believers should oppose the attempts of Dawkins
     and others to insist that science has excluded all other types of truth,
     except those that can be known through the scientific method. This is what
     metaphysical naturalism says. Properly applying the scientific method,
     however, cannot lead to that conclusion, for the scientific method can only
     answer questions about the physical world.It can neither prove nor disprove
     the existence of the spiritual world.
     
           When , however,YECs insist on tailoring scientific truth to a literal
     reading of revelation, they deform science(and revelation).Scientific truth
     has its own space and validity, apart from revelation.Revelation is also
     true, just not in a scientific way.We can still say God created the heavens
     and the earth, and leave it to science to spell out the details. Indeed ,
     the biblical writers had they know how much greater and more wonderful
     universe was than they envisaged, would surely have found even greater
     reason to praise God.
     
           The metaphysical naturalist looks through his microscope, performs his
     scientific test, measures his specimen, and says: There is no god.
           The YEC looks at his three thousand year old text, interprets it
     literally,and says: There is no evolution.Both make the mistake of applying
     the wrong way of knowing to the wrong reality.Both are far from the truth
     about either reality.
     
           I posted the above on the BaptistBoard message Board, hoping for some
     comment. I would ask for comments now from this listserv, especially on the
     "two ways of knowing" approach. Do folks on the list think this is valid. >>

    I think it is valid. I wrote the first two chapters of my book Inerrant
    Wisdom around this concept of two ways of knowing. It is also the basis of
    the distinction between prophet/prophesying and teacher/teaching in the NT.
    The very first verse of the Bible assumes (1) you have some spiritual
    awareness of who/what God is and (2) a nature-based empirical awareness of
    what "heavens and earth" are. By common grace, all of humankind is able to
    achieve a true knowledge of the natural world (Gen 1:26-28; Matt 16:2,3);
    but, even though all humankind has some knowledge of God by general
    revelation, a true knowledge of Christ only comes by special revelation (Matt
    16:17).
    Theologians may want to make a few more distinctions; and one could talk
    about the overlap of the two realms, but fundamentally there are two ways of
    knowing.

    Paul



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