RE: Applied evolution

From: Woodward Norm Civ WRALC/TIEDM (Norm.Woodward@robins.af.mil)
Date: Thu Nov 08 2001 - 12:18:09 EST

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    From: bivalve [mailto:bivalve@mail.davidson.alumlink.com]
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    NW: Will a straightened-out mollusk taxonomy at the NIH get the Chesapeake
    Bay cleaned up? Those of us who like fried clams just don't get concerned
    by their pedigree.

    DC: It might help in a couple of ways. Are those clams legally harvested
    and are they really clams? Cut-up bits of meat are not distinctive
    morphologically, but molecular analysis plugged into an accurate genetic
    database can identify the source of meat. This was actually done in a study
    of whale meat marketed in Japan. Not all of it was what it was supposed to
    be. Evolutionary data can tell us which species are likely to be confused.
    Molecular data for these species can help us identify other specimens that
    are not morphologically distinct, such as very young juveniles. This
    enables easier study of life history dynamics. In turn, this will allow
    better fisheries management. Taxonomy and evolution of molluscan parasites
    has shown that the major pests of Chesapeake Bay oysters were introduced
    when someone tried to grow Pacific oysters over here. Knowledge of
    evolutionary relationships can point to other introductions that would
    probably be a really bad idea.

    NW: I know what you are saying (sort of), but the problem is that
    "everyone" knows that Evolutionary Processes are long term, as in "mill-yons
    and mill-yons of years," so that when you say that you are going to "apply"
    evolution to a current problem, we get the mental concept of asking one of
    you for the time, and you start explaining how to build a clock...or more
    appropriately, you look up at your calendar.
    But, in actuality, if you are doing DNA testing, etc, etc, which may, as you
    claim, have a basis in phylogenic determination, it may not be required for
    that to be fully understood by the lay user. It is like the use of the
    Wilson cloud chamber; the particle physicist does not have to know
    meteorology to use it.
    To apply the title "Applied Evolution," or worse, "Evolutionary Biology," to
    all the technology that you are willing to share with others will
    undoubtedly earn you the ill-will we all share for NASA, who proudly lays
    claim for nearly every piece of American technology since Sputnik, from
    calculators to electric toothbrushes, especially near Congressional
    appropriations time.

     NW: What you say is true and logical, but I have heard many of today's
    evolutionists claim that the division between artificial selection and
    natural selection is, well, artificial. If the individual has certain
    traits, if lives (and multiplies); if it doesn't it dies. That is what good
    ol' Sagan called his "proof" of the "fact" of evolution in his Cosmos
    series, and it's one of the thorn's in the side of many of us concerning the
    typical presentation of evolution.

    DC: The definition of evolution is key here. Examination of the fossil
    record shows that organisms have changed over time, and, at a smaller scale,
    historical observations show the same thing. Thus, some evolution has
    indeed occurred, and may be properly called the fact of evolution. The
    means by which these changes have taken place, and the extent of the
    evolutionary connections between organisms, are the subject of ongoing
    study. Natural selection and genetic drift acting on the variations
    produced by mutations provides a good explanation of quite a lot of the
    history of life, but we certainly do not know all that there is to explain,
    much less have explanations for everything.
    NW: So, do you agree that artificial selection should not be touted as a
    cause of evolution, especially if speciation has not been proven, or do you
    feel that all "selections" are fair game?

    Regards,

    Norm



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