Who or what preserves or sustains "the continuity of the creaturely
cause/effect system?" Is the whole creation self-existing with no need of
God but that of the origianl creator? I truluy believe that only God is
self-existing and so God sustains the creation instant by instant and so the
continuity cannot be understood apart from God. Moorad
----- Original Message -----
From: "Howard J. Van Till" <hvantill@novagate.com>
To: "george murphy" <gmurphy@raex.com>; <RDehaan237@aol.com>
Cc: <asa@calvin.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 9:25 AM
Subject: Re: Staged developmental creation.r
> George wrote:
>
>
> Speaking of "the continuity of the creaturely cause/effect system"
> ignores the possibility we discussed in connection with Peter Ruest's
> proposal, that God is active at the quantum level. For the problem with
> understanding measurement & the apparent collapse of wave packets in QM is
> just that the collapse seems to happen discontinuously & that standard
> descriptions of QM don't provide a closed cause/effect system: They give
no
> reason why we find the photon along one arm of the interferometer rather
> than the other.
> Again, I have problems with the idea that God simply steps in &
> collapses all the wave packets. But there does seem to be a lack of full
> creaturely causation here.
>
>
> 1. Re "the continuity of the creaturely cause/effect system": OK, perhaps
> the term "continuity" must be qualified here to include quantum phenomena
> (with all of their peculiarities) but to exclude coercive divine action
that
> would supersede the creaturely system.
>
> 2. Re "full creaturely causation": Looks like the creaturely system of
> causation has some openness to contingency here. Another way to say it is
> that there are numerous examples of creaturely processes for which the
final
> state of some event/process is underdetermined by all that can be
specified
> about the system's initial state. As I understand it, Peter's proposal
> places God's decisive action (selecting one particular option) here.
>
> Question: Does this divine decision (Peter's proposal) supersede
creaturely
> action? Is it coercive or non-coercive?
>
> Howard
>
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