Re: Reasons

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Date: Tue Sep 18 2001 - 20:10:10 EDT

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    << At the risk of sounding like an apologist for a despicable act, I would
     like to provide some possibilities for understanding the roots of this
     tragedy:
     
     1. We Americans, comprising some 4% of the world's population, consume
     approximately 40% of its resources. We appear to assume that the
     resources found in other parts of the world are somehow our birthright.
     Imagine how this is experienced in third world countries, many of whom
     have been the recipient of United States military attacks.>>

    If we assumed the resources of other countries were our birthright, we would
    use our military to conquer these countries, set up a puppet regime and take
    the resources for free as taxes---as the Roman Empire did. Are we getting the
    oil of the Mideast for free or even at reduced prices because we fought in
    the Gulf War? Are we getting fruit from Guatamala or San Salvador for free or
    at reduced prices because we fought there? Etc.
     
     <<2. We maintain this consumption, in large part, because we have the most
      powerful military in the world, and since WW II we have not hesitated to
     use it for political and/or economic gain in places like China (1945-46),
     Korea (1950-53), China (1950-53), Guatemala (1954), Indonesia (1958),
     Cuba (1959-60), Guatemala (1960), Congo (1964), Peru (1965), Laos (1964-73),
     Vietnam (1961-73), Cambodia (1969-70), Guatemala (1967-69), Grenada
     (1983), Libya (1986), El Salvador (1980s), Nicaragua (1980s), Panama
     (1989), Iraq (1991-present), Sudan (1998), Afghanistan (1998) and
     Yugoslavia (1999). We have bombed each of these countries in turn, and in
    NO case did a democratic government, respectful of human rights, occur as a
    direct
     result.>>

    In most of the major wars mentioned the war was against Communism. Would
    these countries have been better off under Communism? The economic and
    political backwardness of China vs. the prosperity and freedom of Taiwan
    argues otherwise. Similarly, N. Korea vs. S. Korea.

     << Through our weapons and/or proxies, innocent civilians of
     Indonesia, East Timor, Chile, Nicaragua and Palestine have also been
     victims of the United States. Is it any wonder that the level of hatred
     of the United States is so high? Former President Jimmy Carter stated,
     "We have only to go to Lebanon, to Syria, to Jordan, to witness firsthand
     the intense hatred among many people for the United States, because we
     bombed and shelled and unmercifully killed totally innocent villagers,
     women and children and farmers and housewives, in those villages around
     Beirut...as a result, we have become a kind of Satan in the minds of
     those who are deeply resentful. That is what precipitated the taking of
     hostages and that is what has precipitated some terrorist attacks." (New
     York Times3/26/89)>>

    Lebanon, Syria and Jordan have been shelled to protect the state of Israel.
    Some of it was justified--in spite of the unevenhanded support for Israel vs.
    the Palestinians.
     
     <<3. Forty-nine percent of our income tax dollar goes for present and past
     military-related activities. On April 16, 1953, former President Dwight
     Eisenhower noted that "Every gun that is made, every warship launched,
     every rocket fired, signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who
     hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and not clothed." For the
     cost of a Stealth bomber, we could put an additional teacher or social
     worker in every middle and high school in the United States. The cost of
     the proposed missile defense shield would add several more. Which of
     these options would add most to our national security?>>

    In the imaginary world of liberalism, this would make sense. But, it is the
    kind of thinking that left us unprepared for WWII, a war which was closer to
    being lost than many realize (and I don't think quoting a politician, even an
    ex-general, is the same thing as providing valid reasons.) And who knows what
    the future holds? Russia may be subdued, but China is on the rise. Does this
    preacher of Non-violence really believe that Gandhi type sit-down strikes
    would have worked against Hitler, Stalin or Hussein? Did they work at
    Tinnamin Square? Defense today is a matter of employing the latest
    technology. Fall even a decade behind, and you are in danger.
     
     <<In short, I believe that we are paying a terrible price for a very
     shortsided and egocentric American political and economic worldview, and
     unless we change this worldview, I am concerned that yesterday's tragedy
     will be only a down payment on the retribution yet to come.>>

    Change to what worldview? What real alternative, that is, what policies that
    will leave us safe, free and productive would he suggest? Never oppose
    communist expansion? Let Hussein have the oil fields? Without a positive
    program that has been proven to work elsewhere, his complaints mean very
    little.
    ***************
    <<Bill Thomson is a clinical psychologist in private practice and a faculty
     member at the University of Michigan/Dearborn, where he teaches a course
     in Nonviolence and Violence. >>

    I suggest he go to see bin Laden. I am sure he will get a genuine hearing for
    his course in Nonviolence and Violence. And, if by some chance his message is
    not received, perhaps bin Laden can teach him some of the lessons he has not
    learned from history.

    No doubt the U.S. could do an even better job in its international relations,
    and if the professor's comments provoke some positive change, it will be for
    the good. But, by and large, I see his comments as too divorced from reality
    to be taken seriously.

    Paul S.



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