Re: Of Filters and Faith (was "A YEC apologetic")

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Date: Thu Feb 15 2001 - 22:14:50 EST

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    Vernon wrote:
    << In my experience, no translation of the Hebrew of Gn.1:6,7 confronts one
     with the notion of a solid firmament. It follows that, unless one is a
     Hebrew scholar and aware of Ez.1:22, the problems you pose simply don't
     arise. >>

    I think this statement shows how prone we are to read Gen 1 through our
    glasses of modern scientific understanding rather than in its own ancient
    Near Eastern context. For I have no doubt that you have read the translation
    FIRMament. You just never thought about it.

    <<But, in any case, surely the information conveyed by the Creator
    to Moses would have been the truth - as it is known by us today. >>

    Why? Surely God could have employed the science of the times to reveal
    himself as the Creator. He sometimes accommodated his revelation even to
    sinful cultural views of the times (Matt 19:8); so, he surely could have
    accommodated his revelation to the scientific cultural views of the times.
      
    Ezek 1:22 in conjunction with Rev 4:6 shows that the firmament in Gen 1 is
    solid. The sky is presented as a solid object in Gen 1 just like other
    peoples of the time believed. There is no evidence that the firmament in Gen
    1 is not solid; so, we must conclude that it is solid. And, that means it is
    not the truth "as it is known by us today."

    <<What really mattered was
    the truth that 'up there' was a gigantic reservoir of water - supported
    in some way - which would later descend as torrential rain to flood the
    earth.>>

    But, in the biblical account this water is _above_ the firmament. And, since
    the sun, moon and stars are _in_ the firmament (Gen 1:14-17), this water is
    described as being above the sun, moon and stars. According to ancient
    science this would not pose any problem for having it later descend as rain
    because they did not think the sun, moon and stars were anywhere near as far
    away as we do. But, water above the sun much less the stars could never
    descend as rain from our understanding of the universe. So, again it is not
    the truth "as it is known to us today." Bear in mind also that only part of
    that water came down at the Flood (Gen 8:2; Psa 148:4); so, it is still there
    today according to the Bible. Again, an idea that matches the science of the
    times perfectly but is not the truth "as it is known to us today."

    <<Of course, the 'separation of waters' in Moses' experience would,
    necessarily, have involved the use of solid containers, so his choice of
    'raqia' is simply explained - and, in the circumstances, may be
    forgiven.>>

    I like this. Of course, we can forgive the ancient science for it was not the
    point or purpose of the revelation.

    Paul



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