Oldest cave painting

From: glenn morton (glenn.morton@btinternet.com)
Date: Tue Oct 31 2000 - 16:08:43 EST

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    There is also a new report of the oldest cave painting which dates some
    35,000 years ago. While this painting is ascribed to the abilities of
    modern man, in fact it is at least 9,000 years prior to the first European
    skeleton of an anatomically modern human. Clearly, one can only ascribe this
    cave art to anatomically modern men based upon philosophical
    presupppositions, not upon actual data. Campbell and Loy write:

    A date of about 34,000 years B. P. has been published for a frontal bone of
    modern form found at the European site of Velika Pecina. After that, the
    oldest securely dated modern skeletal material from Europe comes from a site
    near the town of Pavlov in the Czech Republic at about 26,000 years B. P." ~
    Bernard G. Campbell and James D. Loy, Humankind Emerging, (New York:
    HarperCollins, 1996), p. 463

    Last year the Velika Pecina human was shown to be only 5,000 years old
    removing him from consideration as the oldest anatomically modern human.

    Anyway, here is the article.

    http://www.ngnews.com/news/2000/10/10192000/cave_3178.asp

    Oldest Cave Paintings Ever Found Light Up Human History

    By The Guardian Unlimited
    October 19, 2000

    Italians were distinguishing themselves as artists long before the
    Renaissance and medieval times, it seems.

    Researchers have found images painted some 35,000 years ago - almost
    certainly the world's oldest cave paintings and possibly man's first
    artistic creations - in a hill near the north-eastern Italian city of
    Verona.

    The images, presented at a press conference in the city yesterday, were
    painted in red ochre on rock and represent an animal with an elongated neck
    (possibly a weasel), a mysterious five-legged animal and a man - thought to
    be a wizard - wearing a mask with horns. They were found last year on
    fragments of rock from the walls of the Fumane Cave in the Lessini Hills,
    north of Verona.

    "They are probably the oldest cave paintings, although we cannot affirm that
    with scientific certainty," said Professor Alberto Broglio, who teaches
    palaeontology at the university of Ferrara and coordinated the excavation.

    The paintings, which could at first have been mistaken for smudges of dirt,
    may not have the visual impact of the bull daubed on a cave wall at Lascaux
    in southern France or the deer of the Altamira Cave in Spain, but they are
    at least 10,000 years older.

    Dr Alessandra Astes, director of the Natural History Museum in Verona, said
    scientists were able to date the paintings, which measure between one and
    two feet long, through carbon dating and archaeological stratographic
    techniques, because the rocks had become detached from the cave wall and
    were buried under later generations of debris.

    The figure of the man in the horned mask and with his arms outstretched was
    extremely rare in early cave paintings, said Dr Astes.

    "The find is of enormous scientific significance, which goes far beyond its
    artistic or stylistic value," she said.

    "The find is of exceptional value. I have been working as an archaeologist
    for 30 years and I have no hesitation in saying that."

    Dr Astes believes the images are almost certainly the oldest in Europe and,
    therefore, in the world.

    "No art forms of similar antiquity have been found in Africa, which is,
    after all, the cradle of humanity," Dr Astes said.

    For researchers, who are still excavating the Fumane Cave, the discovery is
    a crucial link in the history of human life on Earth as well as a first
    glimpse of the creative instinct that inspired Leonardo da Vinci and
    Michelangelo in a later age.

    The cave contains traces of Neanderthal man and evidence of habitation by
    modern Homo sapiens, including sharpened flints, bones and decorations made
    from sea shells. There are also the remains of a prehistoric hut.

    The fragments were originally covered with stalagmites which, Prof Broglio
    said, helped preserve the images.

    "This find completes our picture of the first representatives of modern man
    and throws light on the debate as to whether he descended from Neanderthal
    man or was an immigrant from the Middle East," he said.

    The find supports recent DNA evidence that modern Homo sapiens were not
    related to Neanderthal man, the professor said.

    He added: "The traces we have found show a clean break between Neanderthal
    and modern man both in terms of culture and lifestyle. There is an abrupt
    change in the techniques of decoration and the use of flint and bone tools.
    Everything changes, in a radical, brutal fashion."

    (c) 2000 Guardian Unlimited

    glenn

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