1) Genesis 1:1 can be read that "in the beginning" means the beginning of
spacetime. There is no requirement that it be read this way and of course you may
want to say that God only created our local time or whatever, no proof can be
offered..
2) However, the General Theory of Relatively has a Theorem by Hawkins and other
with the implication that time had to have a beginning. He tries hard to wiggle
out of it in A BRIEF HISTORY OF TIME. But, it wiggling, he postulates a lot of
uproven, unprovable, and likely wrong physics. Just shows how badly he does not
like the concept.
SO, is God in or out of time or whatever? I can only appeal to the concept that
there is a great correspondance with the physics of a begging to time and Genesis
which speaks of a beginning and sugges that this is an elegant and simple solution
and that Mr. Okum and the beauty principle will be happy.
Bert M.
Starkja@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 12/16/1999 12:26:26 AM, you wrote:
> Bert wrote:
> <<
> In the first place this is not about the Dieties motion. It is about which
> clock one uses for counting time. It is about gravity (General Relativity)
> not motion (Special Revativity) and it have nothing to do with the clock of a
> diety. God is NOT confined by time as we know it. But, if HE talks about
> time, what clock is he using is the question.
> >>
> Is the statement 'God is NOT confined by time as we know it.' dependent on
> your concept of God? Are you implying that God is all knowing with no
> limitations because of the freedom God gave us?
>
> Bert goes on to say:
> >> one requirement of this view: God must be totally within the space-time
> >> universe.
>
> >No. God is not within SPACETIME. Quite th contrary, it is proposed that he
> >spoke into existence the SPACETIME of Physics. But, the issue is if he spoke
> >of time (a human and universe thing) then what clock is he using?>
>
> I would think that God uses absolute time, while we are all limited to using
> relative time. What would be the scaling for that absolute time? Why should
> it have a zero point on that time scale? I believe that we are free to
> choose the scale that will best fit our personal world view.
> Jim