Re: [asa] plea for acronymical mercy

I am in the TG camp myself.

For Cameron's benefit, TG = "Theistic Gravitationalist."

Actually I'm in the T* camp.

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On 10/30/09, John Walley <john_walley@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I thought electroweak and strong were already unified? We are only on
> gravity right?
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> From: George Murphy <GMURPHY10@neo.rr.com>
> To: David Clounch <david.clounch@gmail.com>; Murray Hogg
> <muzhogg@netspace.net.au>
> Cc: ASA <asa@calvin.edu>
> Sent: Fri, October 30, 2009 12:45:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [asa] plea for acronymical mercy
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> GUTs in the original sense would unify the electroweak & strong interactions
> but not gravity.  A TOE would include gravitation.
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> Shalom
> George
> http://home.roadrunner.com/~scitheologyglm
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> ----- Original Message -----
>>From: David Clounch
>>To: Murray Hogg
>>Cc: ASA
>>Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 11:51 AM
>>Subject: Re: [asa] plea for acronymical mercy
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>>My layman's view on physics:
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>>It is the theory there is an energy level (temperature) where the strong
>> force, weak force, gravity, and electromagnetic force  are all one force.
>> After cooling  the force breaks down into individual forces.  So
>> immediately after the big bang there was one force and with expansion
>> (inflation?)  came cooling, the four forces, and then eventually
>> particles.
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>>My guess is this is an over-simplification because it is an english
>> description of an idea that can only be expressed mathematically.
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>>It is loosely related to TOE (Theory of Everything).
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>>This all came up because I mentioned Grand Unifying Principle (GUP)  which
>> is the idea that state science standards committees in the USA  put in
>> curriculum standards.  This idea says that evolution is a unifying concept
>> that explains everything from the formation of particles at the big bang
>> to  cosmic evolution to chemical evolution (abiogenesis) to  biological
>> evolution to social evolution - therefore they want to teach our children
>> that evolution explains everything.  That "evolution" unifies all of
>> science.
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>>This is EXACTLY what Gregory is complaining about.  So, Ted, if you don't
>> believe in the grand unifying principle of evolution, well....... be
>> aware  that your government is  being subverted to  teach  something
>> different than  what you believe.  Once these standards are in place all
>> teachers must teach that concept or lose their jobs.
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>> My opinion is the "grand unifying principle of evolution" is a
>> fabrication.   If that is true then we  may possibly be seeing  a
>> consitutionally problematic situation arise in the state science standards
>> committees.  My question then becomes  "whose side are the ASA members on,
>> anyway?"  If one doesn't believe the fabrication is true, then why support
>> it rather than correct it?  Do we want accurate science or not? Do we
>> want  materialism taught as science?  Is the fabrication scientism?  Do we
>> politically support that?  Every person must ask themselves that
>> question.
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>>Yes, materialists believe the fabrication is  true. But do we?  Gregory is
>> right on target with this.
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>>Thanks,
>>Dave C
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>>On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 9:38 PM, Murray Hogg <muzhogg@netspace.net.au>
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>>GUT = "Grand Unified Theory" - properly refers to theories in physics which
>> unify the various forces into a single unified field. Used by analogy to
>> refer to "meta-narrative"
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>>>Cameron Wybrow wrote:
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>>>This is the second time in the last couple of days that I've seen the
>>> abbreviation "GUT", without explanation.  I've never seen this
>>> abbreviation before.  Could people please refrain from using it, unless
>>> they are going to say what it means after the first usage?
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>>>>Cameron.
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