"To Dawkins, both are superstitious myth. on the same exact level of nonsense."
This complaint fails the "so what?" test. I fail to see why the opinions and feelings of a political activist and culture warrior should matter here. What matters is the objective evidence and the objective evidence tells us that despite Collins's supposed "myth" beliefs, he has been an excellent scientist. In fact, I would say he has been a better scientist than Richard Dawkins, explaining the fact that while Collins heads the NIH, Dawkins puts up ads on buses and sells t-shirts on the internet.
Like I said - the fact that Dawkins opposed the nomination of Collins allows fair-minded people to more clearly see the crackpot side of Dawkins.
Mike
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From: Dehler, Bernie
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Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 3:11 PM
Subject: RE: [asa] Re: (Santa?) [christians_in_science] Brilliant article by Dawkins
To see it from Dawkins perspective, would any ASA scientist/theologian object to a famous scientist who is appointed to NIH who believes in the Easter Bunny, and sets up a website promoting the Easter Bunny? Because from Dawkin's perspective, the Easter Bunny is the exact same as Yahweh. To Dawkins, both are superstitious myth. on the same exact level of nonsense.
So while you don't obviously agree with Dawkin's about Yahweh, it is easy to see why he says what he does, right?
.Bernie
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From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu] On Behalf Of Iain Strachan
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 3:22 PM
To: christians_in_science@yahoogroups.com
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Subject: [asa] Re: [christians_in_science] Brilliant article by Dawkins
The trouble is, michael, though here he does not attack Christianity, in the following comment from his own website, he really lays into Francis Collins, who is hardly a creationist:
Richard Dawkins writes:
I know we are all supposed to say it doesn't matter how ridiculous somebody's beliefs are, so long as he leaves them at home and doesn't thrust them on other people. This is often said of teachers. For example, it doesn't matter if the science teacher believes the world is 6,000 years old, so long as he tells the children the scientific estimate is 4.6 billion. But I can never be quite happy with this. Surely the fact that somebody believes really dopey things tells you he isn't INTELLIGENT enough to teach, even if he keeps his stupid beliefs out of the classroom.
Now, Francis Collins is a very nice man, he doesn't SEEM stupid, and I think Bill Maher was mistaken when he told me, on television, that Collins believes in a talking snake. But he presumably believes the things his Biologos Foundation advocates, for example the view that God causes miracles to happen (illustrated with a picture of Jesus walking on water). Can somebody who holds such anti-scientific and downright silly beliefs really be qualified to run the NIH? Isn't he disqualified, not by whether or not he leaves his beliefs outside the laboratory and the committee room, but by the very fact that he is capable of holding such beliefs at all?
Original at: http://richarddawkins.net/article,4046,n,n#395050
Not only are creationists stupid, but also folks like Collins hold "anti-scientific and downright silly beliefs".
Really there's no point pretending Dawkins is some kind of an ally. Do you believe such downright silly and anti-scientific things, Michael? Like Jesus rising from the dead?
Iain
On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 8:04 PM, Michael Roberts <michael.andrea.r@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
No, I am not joking. There was an absolutely brilliant article in The Times today on the menace of creationism. Excellent stuff, not one attack on Christianity. It does have a few necessary comments on bishops and clergy put in an understatement.
Ii is on http://tinyurl.com/nhgu7m
Michael
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