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From: Alexanian, Moorad <alexanian@uncw.edu>
Date: Tue Aug 25 2009 - 15:48:03 EDT

Romans 1:22 fits Dawkins to a tee, "Professing to be wise, they became fools."
Moorad

From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu] On Behalf Of Schwarzwald
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 3:34 PM
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Subject: Re: [asa] Re: (Santa?) [christians_in_science] Brilliant article by Dawkins

Actually, Bernie, I think your example is pretty damning to Dawkins. If the man can't tell the difference between arguing for the existence of the Easter Bunny and arguing for the existence of God, then (as Mike Gene more or less lays out) we should be far more worried about Dawkins playing with all his marbles on this subject. If he were really, really worked up over the appointment of some scientist to a prestigious position because said scientist happens to believe smoking causes cancer, and Dawkins believes that claim is equivalent to the Easter Bunny existing, we could certainly understand why Dawkins would be upset. Hopefully you could understand why it would be yet more reason to regard Dawkins as kind of a nutter as well.
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 3:11 PM, Dehler, Bernie <bernie.dehler@intel.com<mailto:bernie.dehler@intel.com>> wrote:

To see it from Dawkins perspective, would any ASA scientist/theologian object to a famous scientist who is appointed to NIH who believes in the Easter Bunny, and sets up a website promoting the Easter Bunny? Because from Dawkin's perspective, the Easter Bunny is the exact same as Yahweh. To Dawkins, both are superstitious myth... on the same exact level of nonsense.

So while you don't obviously agree with Dawkin's about Yahweh, it is easy to see why he says what he does, right?

...Bernie

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From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu<mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu> [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu<mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu>] On Behalf Of Iain Strachan
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Subject: [asa] Re: [christians_in_science] Brilliant article by Dawkins

The trouble is, michael, though here he does not attack Christianity, in the following comment from his own website, he really lays into Francis Collins, who is hardly a creationist:

Richard Dawkins writes:

I know we are all supposed to say it doesn't matter how ridiculous somebody's beliefs are, so long as he leaves them at home and doesn't thrust them on other people. This is often said of teachers. For example, it doesn't matter if the science teacher believes the world is 6,000 years old, so long as he tells the children the scientific estimate is 4.6 billion. But I can never be quite happy with this. Surely the fact that somebody believes really dopey things tells you he isn't INTELLIGENT enough to teach, even if he keeps his stupid beliefs out of the classroom.

Now, Francis Collins is a very nice man, he doesn't SEEM stupid, and I think Bill Maher was mistaken when he told me, on television, that Collins believes in a talking snake. But he presumably believes the things his Biologos Foundation advocates, for example the view that God causes miracles to happen (illustrated with a picture of Jesus walking on water). Can somebody who holds such anti-scientific and downright silly beliefs really be qualified to run the NIH? Isn't he disqualified, not by whether or not he leaves his beliefs outside the laboratory and the committee room, but by the very fact that he is capable of holding such beliefs at all?

Original at: http://richarddawkins.net/article,4046,n,n#395050

Not only are creationists stupid, but also folks like Collins hold "anti-scientific and downright silly beliefs".

Really there's no point pretending Dawkins is some kind of an ally. Do you believe such downright silly and anti-scientific things, Michael? Like Jesus rising from the dead?

Iain

On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 8:04 PM, Michael Roberts <michael.andrea.r@ukonline.co.uk<mailto:michael.andrea.r@ukonline.co.uk>> wrote:

No, I am not joking. There was an absolutely brilliant article in The Times today on the menace of creationism. Excellent stuff, not one attack on Christianity. It does have a few necessary comments on bishops and clergy put in an understatement.

Ii is on http://tinyurl.com/nhgu7m

Michael

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RE: [asa] Re: (Santa?) [christians_in_science] Brilliant article by Dawkins