RE: [asa] chromasome fusion #2 (how vs. did, YEC/OEC's proved wrong)

Dave said:
" YEC deny macroevolution until it is necessary. "

When it comes to recognizing human evolution from apelike creatures, and that being macroevolution, YEC/OEC will never accept it. Rejecting macroevolution at that level is a requirement for joining their camp.

Dave said:
" Now that they recognize that all the species plus food and water can't fit on the ark"

I've heard they still think all the animals can fit in the ark:
http://www.amazon.com/Noahs-Ark-Feasibility-John-Woodmorappe/dp/0932766412
"Noah's Ark: A Feasibility Study" (Ken Ham still refers to this book for justification.)

...although there is no spreadsheet with all the detail to check their work. I bought the book, wanting to check their details... but it isn't possible. Knowing that 99% of all species that ever lived are now extinct, I wanted to check his details.

I see Glenn Morton has a review of the book here:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/woodmorappe-review.html

The author's response to the review is here:
http://www.rae.org/pagesix.htm

...Bernie

-----Original Message-----
From: dfsiemensjr [mailto:dfsiemensjr@juno.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 2:26 PM
To: Dehler, Bernie
Cc: asa@calvin.edu
Subject: Re: [asa] chromasome fusion #2 (how vs. did, YEC/OEC's proved wrong)

Bernie,
YEC deny macroevolution until it is necessary. Now that they recognize
that all the species plus food and water can't fit on the ark, they have
representatives of families or genera saved with evolution of species
almost instantaneous.
Dave (ASA)

On Wed, 15 Jul 2009 09:01:13 -0700 "Dehler, Bernie"
<bernie.dehler@intel.com> writes:
> Ian said:
> " Is that the way you argue to make your (rather obvious) point? By
> moving the goalposts?"
>
> I sharpened the analogy to sharpen the point that one can be certain
> that an event happened while knowing absolutely nothing of the
> details about how it happened. That is still the point I'm
> contributing to the discussion. YEC/OEC's need to learn this,
> because it is a main arguments they lean on:
>
> "Know one was there to see it (so my ideas are just as valid as
> yours)"
> "You can't explain how it happened (so I can continue rejecting this
> with intellectual honesty)."
>
> These are irrelevant (false) objections to the analysis of the DNA
> data that demonstrates the event actually happened.
>
> Fused human chromosme #2 clearly demonstrates descent of humans from
> an apelike creature. This is macro evolution. YEC/OEC's reject
> macro evolution. Therefore, all YEC/OEC's are wrong on this major
> point of theirs. If they accept this evidence, they will also need
> to change their theology accordingly, and will become TE's (since
> accepting macroevolution is against the law for YEC/OEC).
>
> ...Bernie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Iain Strachan [mailto:igd.strachan@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 11:23 PM
> To: Dehler, Bernie
> Cc: asa@calvin.edu
> Subject: Re: [asa] chromasome fusion #2 (how vs. did)
>
> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 10:26 PM, Dehler,
> Bernie<bernie.dehler@intel.com> wrote:
> > Hi David-
> >
> >
> >
> > Person A never claimed to be drugged. They said they were at the
> movies
> > when the murder happened. Person A was either at the murder scene
> and
> > participated, or he was at the movies at that time.
>
> None of this extra information was in your original account, and
> David's explanation was perfectly consistent with what you said
> originally.
>
> Is that the way you argue to make your (rather obvious) point? By
> moving the goalposts?
>
> I'm beginning to realise it just isn't worth arguing with you.
> Cameron said that he would no longer reply to your emails. I am the
> same now. I will make discussion with people who are reasonable,
> but
> with you I am just wasting my time.
>
> Iain
>
>
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