Re: [asa] chromasome fusion #2 (how vs. did, YEC/OEC's proved wrong)

Bernie,
You're right about human evolution. However, when did inconsistency
bother YECs? The most recent I've come across is, if I recall the
numbers, 17,000=150, along with the problem of intense radiation during
the flood.
Dave (ASA)

On Wed, 15 Jul 2009 15:31:57 -0700 "Dehler, Bernie"
<bernie.dehler@intel.com> writes:
> Dave said:
> " YEC deny macroevolution until it is necessary. "
>
> When it comes to recognizing human evolution from apelike creatures,
> and that being macroevolution, YEC/OEC will never accept it.
> Rejecting macroevolution at that level is a requirement for joining
> their camp.
>
> Dave said:
> " Now that they recognize that all the species plus food and water
> can't fit on the ark"
>
> I've heard they still think all the animals can fit in the ark:
>
http://www.amazon.com/Noahs-Ark-Feasibility-John-Woodmorappe/dp/093276641
2
> "Noah's Ark: A Feasibility Study" (Ken Ham still refers to this
> book for justification.)
>
> ...although there is no spreadsheet with all the detail to check
> their work. I bought the book, wanting to check their details...
> but it isn't possible. Knowing that 99% of all species that ever
> lived are now extinct, I wanted to check his details.
>
> I see Glenn Morton has a review of the book here:
> http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/woodmorappe-review.html
>
> The author's response to the review is here:
> http://www.rae.org/pagesix.htm
>
> ...Bernie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dfsiemensjr [mailto:dfsiemensjr@juno.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 2:26 PM
> To: Dehler, Bernie
> Cc: asa@calvin.edu
> Subject: Re: [asa] chromasome fusion #2 (how vs. did, YEC/OEC's
> proved wrong)
>
> Bernie,
> YEC deny macroevolution until it is necessary. Now that they
> recognize
> that all the species plus food and water can't fit on the ark, they
> have
> representatives of families or genera saved with evolution of
> species
> almost instantaneous.
> Dave (ASA)
>
> On Wed, 15 Jul 2009 09:01:13 -0700 "Dehler, Bernie"
> <bernie.dehler@intel.com> writes:
> > Ian said:
> > " Is that the way you argue to make your (rather obvious) point?
> By
> > moving the goalposts?"
> >
> > I sharpened the analogy to sharpen the point that one can be
> certain
> > that an event happened while knowing absolutely nothing of the
> > details about how it happened. That is still the point I'm
> > contributing to the discussion. YEC/OEC's need to learn this,
> > because it is a main arguments they lean on:
> >
> > "Know one was there to see it (so my ideas are just as valid as
> > yours)"
> > "You can't explain how it happened (so I can continue rejecting
> this
> > with intellectual honesty)."
> >
> > These are irrelevant (false) objections to the analysis of the DNA
>
> > data that demonstrates the event actually happened.
> >
> > Fused human chromosme #2 clearly demonstrates descent of humans
> from
> > an apelike creature. This is macro evolution. YEC/OEC's reject
> > macro evolution. Therefore, all YEC/OEC's are wrong on this major
>
> > point of theirs. If they accept this evidence, they will also
> need
> > to change their theology accordingly, and will become TE's (since
> > accepting macroevolution is against the law for YEC/OEC).
> >
> > ...Bernie
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Iain Strachan [mailto:igd.strachan@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 11:23 PM
> > To: Dehler, Bernie
> > Cc: asa@calvin.edu
> > Subject: Re: [asa] chromasome fusion #2 (how vs. did)
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 10:26 PM, Dehler,
> > Bernie<bernie.dehler@intel.com> wrote:
> > > Hi David-
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Person A never claimed to be drugged. They said they were at
> the
> > movies
> > > when the murder happened. Person A was either at the murder
> scene
> > and
> > > participated, or he was at the movies at that time.
> >
> > None of this extra information was in your original account, and
> > David's explanation was perfectly consistent with what you said
> > originally.
> >
> > Is that the way you argue to make your (rather obvious) point? By
> > moving the goalposts?
> >
> > I'm beginning to realise it just isn't worth arguing with you.
> > Cameron said that he would no longer reply to your emails. I am
> the
> > same now. I will make discussion with people who are reasonable,
> > but
> > with you I am just wasting my time.
> >
> > Iain
> >
> >
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