Re: [asa] fall of Satan logic questions (was: ID/Miracles/Design (Behe vs. Behe))

For more on angels and swords see Numbers 22 beginning at verse 22. I am
not prepared to present any conclusions from this.

Gordon Brown (ASA member)

On Wed, 29 Apr 2009, philtill@aol.com wrote:

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> From: Dehler, Bernie <bernie.dehler@intel.com>
> Cc: ASA <asa@calvin.edu>
> Sent: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 3:47 pm
> Subject: RE: [asa] fall of Satan logic questions (was: ID/Miracles/Design (Behe vs. Behe))
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> I was telling my kid (2nd grader) the other day about a war in heaven with good
> vs. bad angels. Good angels kicked-out the bad ones. The bad ones, led by
> Satan, wanted to take over.
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> He had a good question I never thought about- can angels die?
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> Theology says no- that's why hell was made for them. Forever tormented.
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> But here we have a case of war with no death? What are they doing- just shoving
> each other around? Do they have weapons, but these weapons can't kill another?
> What's a war without death? Are they cutting off limbs? If Angels don't have
> limbs (because they are spiritual and not material), are they just being hurt in
> some way, but not completely dying?
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> What does this have to do with ASA? It is a matter of trying to apply logic to
> faith... does the Christian faith make sense about angel warfare and the fall of
> Satan, using modern day logic?
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> He asks a lot of interesting questions that somehow adults gloss over (including
> myself). Maybe we jump too fast to the standard line "I don't know, but one day
> we'll find out in heaven." Is that line a short-circuit for logic and truthful
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> ...Bernie
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alexanian, Moorad [mailto:alexanian@uncw.edu]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 12:36 PM
> To: Dehler, Bernie
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> Subject: RE: [asa] ID/Miracles/Design (Behe vs. Behe)
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> Let us not forget the fall of Satan before that of man.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu] On Behalf
> Of Dehler, Bernie
> Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 3:32 PM
> Cc: ASA
> Subject: RE: [asa] ID/Miracles/Design (Behe vs. Behe)
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> Dick said:
> "If good, functioning, workable "designs" are due to God's handiwork, then
> who or what is responsible for the flaws, defects and failures? Give
> God all the responsibilty or none of it."
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> Haminists (followers of Ken Ham and his interpretation) say that God made it all
> good- but man's sin wrecked it. Before the fall, there were no mosquitos, or
> they probably didn't drink blood back when they were first made, just like the
> first lions, bears, etc. didn't eat other animals either (no animal death before
> the fall, and all people were vegetarians until after the flood). So God gets
> credit for good; man's sin is the reason for bad (or corruption of the good
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> ...Bernie
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