RE: [asa] List of positions n Origins (question on DE)

The reason why I thought of Howard Van Till for the TE position is because of his position/place in the book "Three Views on Creation and Evolution." That book debated YEC, OEC, and TE with Howard Van Till taking the TE position (although he hated and objected to that title- he wanted "fully gifted creationist" as the title of his position). I think it was assumed that all three positions in that book were held by Christians.

...Bernie

-----Original Message-----
From: Ted Davis [mailto:TDavis@messiah.edu]
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 10:23 AM
To: 'ASA'; Dehler, Bernie
Subject: Re: [asa] List of positions n Origins (question on DE)

Some might say that the "old" Howard Van Till, the one who wrote "The Fourth
Day" and "Portraits of Creation" and "Science Held Hostage," fits the TE
category; but the "new" Howard Van Till, the Howard who contributed to
"Three Views on Creation and Evolution" and esp the Howard who has moved
closer to or into process theism in recent years, belongs in the DE
category.

I would say, myself, that anyone who does not believe in any of the
"miracles of the new creation," to borrow Lewis' terminology, such as the
bodily resurrection of Jesus, probably is a candidate for the DE category.
I at least would not put anyone into that category if they do affirm the
resurrection (among other special acts of God). Thus, I might put Ian
Barbour and Arthur Peacocke into the DE category, although neither of them
would be happy with that.

Or else, I'd create an alternative category for them, simply TE/process vs
TE/traditional. Whether the former constitutes a type of deism is a fair
point of argumentation.

Ted

>>> "Dehler, Bernie" <bernie.dehler@intel.com> 2/19/2009 12:33 PM >>>
List of positions on Origins:

Young Earth Creationist:

  Ken Ham (Answers in Genesis ministry)

Old Earth Creationist:
  Hugh Ross (Reasons to Believe ministry)

Theistic evolutionist:
  Howard Van Till (author & scholar)

Deistic Evolutionist:

  ???

Atheistic Evolutionist:
  Richard Dawkins (RichardDawkins.net "ministry")

Who would be a good representative candidate for the DE position?

...Bernie

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