Re: [asa] Two questions... (bottlenecking)

From: Jim Armstrong <jarmstro@qwest.net>
Date: Tue Feb 17 2009 - 01:10:21 EST

It looks to me like you hit it on the head. Assuming those early Genesis creation quotations are in reasonable measure correct, then this pretty much hinges about the definition of "good". I don't recall that there was any indication of Creation being submitted to man for his appraisal as to its goodness. And given that I don't subscribe to the idea that a subordinate being has any power to corrupt that Creation in any significant way (with respect to His overall creative intent) after the fact, the physical good and bad as we experience and judge it is just that, our personal experience and perspective. Hence, the response to the last of Dave's paragraphs would seem to be "Yes" and "Yes", but the terrible-ness relates only to our sphere of experience and perspective - being more "uncomfortable" than "terrible" per se in my view.

Regards -  JimA [Friend of ASA].

Dick Fischer wrote:

Hi David:

Certainly I don't have any good answers.  I think God cares more for hearts
that are perfect toward Him than He seems to about physical death and
suffering which is simply part of life.

Dick Fischer, GPA president
Genesis Proclaimed Association
"Finding Harmony in Bible, Science and History"
www.genesisproclaimed.org
 

-----Original Message-----
From: David Clounch [mailto:david.clounch@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 12:13 PM
To: Dick Fischer
Cc: ASA
Subject: Re: [asa] Two questions... (bottlenecking)

Dick,

Its a very good question. Does God  allow us to be born even though He
knows something horrible will affect our lives and make us miserable.
Its the "problem of pain" all over again.
Did God cause all this pain?  If so, is He still good?  Seems to me
this question is  something we all have to deal with.

If God allows pain is He good. If by allowing it He causes it, is He
still good?  Terrible questions, aren't they?

-Dave


On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Dick Fischer <dickfischer@verizon.net>
wrote:
  

I hope he didn't have Down's Syndrome.

Dick Fischer, GPA president
Genesis Proclaimed Association
"Finding Harmony in Bible, Science and History"
www.genesisproclaimed.org


-----Original Message-----
From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu] On
Behalf Of David Clounch
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 5:50 AM
To: asa@calvin.edu
Subject: Re: [asa] Two questions... (bottlenecking)

Yesterday a friend was buried. On the card from his service was Psalms
139:13-16.

verse 16 says,

" Your eyes have seen my unformed substance;
And in Your book were all written
The days that were ordained for me,
When as yet there was not one of them. " NASV

This Psalm   raises an interesting idea. God knew  all the details and
design of  the man's life long before he was born.  And ordained
(pre-planned) his days and fate.

Sounds like design to me.

And I cant see where there is any way any series of natural processes
can produce any such pre-planned creature or detailed days of his
life.  Not without massive tinkering and interference with the flow of
natural processes.

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