RE: [asa] Lincoln and Darwin

Sounds like a certain kind of preacher when they go overtime in their presentation and say "sorry- no time for Q&A."

...Bernie

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From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu] On Behalf Of Dick Fischer
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 10:17 AM
To: ASA
Subject: RE: [asa] Lincoln and Darwin

When I was a college student studying American History at the University of
Missouri, a southerner, Dr Bugg, was our professor. During one of his
lectures on the Civil War he timed the ending to absolute perfection. He
drove home the point that when Lincoln took office some southern states
seceded, but it wasn't until he passed a Republican tariff bill on imported
goods that the rest of the states could see what was coming with a
Republican administration and the remainder of the thirteen states seceded
and formed the Confederacy. His point was that Lincoln caused the war. The
seceding states would have come back into the fold, slavery wasn't going to
survive much longer and would go away on its own, and the lives of over a
million men would have been spared. To this day I can still hear him
thunder, "And the man of the hour was never Abraham Lincoln, but Stephen A.
Douglas"! Then the bell rang and we all remained stunned in our seats.

Dick Fischer, GPA president
Genesis Proclaimed Association
"Finding Harmony in Bible, Science and History"
www.genesisproclaimed.org
 

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From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu] On
Behalf Of Ted Davis
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 11:09 AM
To: asa@calvin.edu; gordon brown
Subject: Re: [asa] Lincoln and Darwin

I read somewhere last year (I think in a history magazine, but in something
by a professional historian), in an article on Lincoln and Darwin, that the
3 individuals about whom historians had written the most were, in order:

Jesus
Napoleon
Lincoln

Darwin was somewhere down the list.

IMO, Darwin was probably the most influential scientist of the 19th
century, in terms of influence of ideas on the wider culture. But that's
certainly an arguable point -- who is to say that Faraday or Maxwell or
Pasteur or Liebig or ... well, you can probably come up with several other
names here, wasn't equally influential, since their ideas ended up in
zillions of important applications. It depends on the kinds of influences
you want to talk about.

Darwin was also IMO one of the greatest scientists of his century, but
(again) you can make a good case for Helmholtz (he's my own choice for
number one) and others.

When it comes to statesmen from that century, however, it's hard to make a
case for anyone other than Lincoln, IMO. Certainly the greatest American
president of any century, and enormously influential all over the world.

As a single bicentennial day, I doubt there's a more important one than
this when it comes to multiple individuals.

Ted

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